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Old February 29th, 2020, 11:33 AM   #16
 
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Old March 2nd, 2020, 09:26 AM   #17
 
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So, pertinent to the discussion, what about the .480 Ruger ? Where does it fit in ?
From a reduced HANDLOADING ONLY perspective; for someone who likes extra heavy bullets at lower velocity, I think the step-up diameter from 44 & 45 to my latest (mild for me) .476, 350g, HS6 or PowerPistol loads balances well in a standard length revolver cylinder, such as a beefy SBH Bisley.

Where I wouldnt need an 'extra heavy to handle' THREE inch BFR cylinder/gun to reasonably accomadate even a 406g bullet (also loaded with HS6 or PowerPistol) when chambered in a m83.

IMO, these are a great 'drop in their tracks' heavier animal hunting loads, and at a reasonable 'rolling' recoil level in these guns - at least for myself.

However, am very comfortable with and like 300g bullets in 454, also at moderate & lower HS6 & PowerPistol velocities.

But as others have stated, 357, 41 & 44 are often used to harvest whitetail deer sized game too. And if that is what I had, thats what I would use and have before!

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So, pertinent to the discussion, what about the .480 Ruger ? Where does it fit in ?
Larger cross sectional area lets you get more power with less pressure, and gives you a higher Taylor Knockout Factor. But it also makes it less aerodynamic. Close range win/win. Long range win/lose.

I've fired a 500 S&W side by side with my Casull and it was just as punishing as the Casull. I haven't fired a 480, but it is reputedly less punishing than the Casull/460, so that's a "win".

No compatible smaller cartridges, so that's a "lose." You never know when you won't be able to find cartridges in the more "elite" calibers in a pinch and be forced to use something more common. And 45 Colt is very common these days.

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I've owned 454, 460S&W and 480Ruger revolvers. I liked them all but they're definitely not for everyone. Folks can either handle the recoil or they cannot. That's not a criticism but rather an observation. For those of us that can tolerate the big boomers they're a lot of fun to shoot but for most people they're simply too much gun. Again, not a criticism. I know people of relatively diminutive stature that can handle them and I know some big dudes that are flat out scared of them. Whether you can or you can't isn't a measure of manliness or machismo. Some folks like jalapeños, some don't.

The biggest handgun calibers I own these days are 44mag and 45 Colt. The 45 Colt in particular is all I need in a big caliber handgun. If a hot 45 Colt won't kill it I don't want to shoot it. As much as I liked my 454/460/480 they were just range toys so I decided to let them go. All is not lost. I have a couple of Ruger #1's chambered in 475 Linebaugh and 460S&W and I still have dies/brass/bullets for 454/460/480. Shooting those calibers with a 7lb 20" barreled carbine is a LOT of fun. Very mild to shoot but the terminal impact is devastating on whatever you're shooting at. Highly recommend it. I plan to purchase a 44mag #1 sometime in the near future for the same reason.

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I should add, my Casull is an Encore pistol with 12" barrel. With no cylinder gap to bleed off some pressure, the bullet builds up a full head of steam in that 12" barrel, LOL. You have to work up to max loads or you won't know how to properly handle the recoil and it will give you a knot on your head or worse.

My daughter wanted to shoot it, so I had three different load levels for her to use in learning how to handle the recoil. The first was like a 45 Colt Cowboy Action load. The second was like a Ruger-Only 45 Colt hunting load, and the last was a max load...as in Cape Buffalo hunting load...

Here she is shooting the max load in slow motion. She thought it was awesome, LOL.

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The .460 in a lever gun. Now there is a thought. I wonder if you could convert a Win 94 in .45 Colt???

No, she doesn't look like she was under duress. That's a lot of fire out the end of the barrel.

I had a .375 JDJ in a contender. Back in the day, they called it a hand cannon. It was a handful and amazingly accurate.
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I should add, my Casull is an Encore pistol with 12" barrel. With no cylinder gap to bleed off some pressure, the bullet builds up a full head of steam in that 12" barrel, LOL. You have to work up to max loads or you won't know how to properly handle the recoil and it will give you a knot on your head or worse.

My daughter wanted to shoot it, so I had three different load levels for her to use in learning how to handle the recoil. The first was like a 45 Colt Cowboy Action load. The second was like a Ruger-Only 45 Colt hunting load, and the last was a max load...as in Cape Buffalo hunting load...

Here she is shooting the max load in slow motion. She thought it was awesome, LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frU7MbO0Z3o
She looks like she’s having fun !
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I really enjoy shooting my 5" .460 S&W with max loaded ammo. What spoils the fun at the range, is that no matter where on the line I set up, some whiney shooter usually with a .22 sets up next to me, and complains to the RO that I'm destroying his hearing with my Hand Cannon.
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The .460 in a lever gun. Now there is a thought. I wonder if you could convert a Win 94 in .45 Colt???.
About 15 yrs ago, a local LGS rumored that Marlin was planning on an 1895 offering in 475 Linebaugh, never saw one or confirmed but 'may' or may not have have seen a reputable article, difficult to recall.

That would have been a higher PSI load in a pretty stout levergun for sure, the 460sw alot more so! The recoil 'when using extra heavy bullets alone' could eventually loosen some of parts on a SOLID and fine lever rifle, I say this because it happened to me in an 1895, 4570 once at just 28k psi - but using a heavy 550g short flatnose. I ended up correcting the gun problem plus now stay with 405g at 1700fps maximum or less anyway. Would rather shoot 500g stuff in bolt actions (since I have them), at 1700fps instead.

I also think Ruger #1 is a much beefier and an excellent option for these things and would enjoy with much less recoil than a revolver. Saw both calibers at $1499 each today, 44 mag too which is the 'mainstream' caliber, as others mentioned.

I like HG 44 mag but in some revolvers 'factory 240g' loads seems higher in recoil 'velocity' (yet not so much recoil energy as 300g bullets in other calibers) but I dislike the quick/sharp punch. So I prefer my personal 44 mag handloads in similiar fashion as my numerous other big bore heavy bullet calibers.

These revolvers are not range toys to me and recoil does not bother me much, then I hunt with them and in big bear country too. But would stay away from big bore revolvers if I did not handload-if I did not customize my own loads - I would definetly go with Ruger #1 or an Encore with rifle stock. Much fun.
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If you just skim the surface, things are pretty cut & dried with the .44 at 36,000psi and the .454 at 65,00psi. A difference that accounts for 500fps in favor of the .454 with standard weight bullets. However, when you realize that most .454 factory loads are more like 50-55,000psi and that Rugers really shouldn't be loaded any higher; that the .44 can be loaded to 50,000psi in the Redhawk/Super Redhawk and the difference in overall loaded cartridge length is minimal, things get a little muddier. A good example would be the heavy Buffalo Bore loads. Same pressure, comparable bullets, same velocity. Same is seen in Brian Pearce's +P+ .44 data and most .454 data. The .454 will always yield a little more velocity with top loads but with the right bullets, we're talking about taking the same critters. The .454 will just shoot a little flatter and give you more effective range. It also yields more reliable performance with jacketed bullets that can take the velocity but it's not gonna kill anything deader. The difference may be as little as 100fps. For instance, I can get the 355gr Beartooth to 1350fps in the .44 SRH and most .454 data has a 360gr WFN at 1450-1500fps.

Pearce's 340gr handloads nearly duplicate the Buffalo Bore load. Of course, they can't be used in just any old .44 revolver.

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I really enjoy shooting my 5" .460 S&W with max loaded ammo. What spoils the fun at the range, is that no matter where on the line I set up, some whiney shooter usually with a .22 sets up next to me, and complains to the RO that I'm destroying his hearing with my Hand Cannon.
Ain't that the truth. I try to go early when not so many shooters are at the range and setup at the end of the line. I also warn those around me that I'll be making a little noise.
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Plenty of power and punishment in 12" T/C Contender in 45-70.:-)
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Plenty of power and punishment in 12" T/C Contender in 45-70.:-)
Fun stuff, that is .... the further I stay away from something like a 400g load at the 1450fps 'level', in any handgun have ever used. This level (regardless of combination in bullet, velocity, charge & HG used) has always been more than I care to deal with, beyond an occasional round anyway.

This is from someone who has always enjoyed recoil, for whatever thats worth. Also, personally enjoy being outside when shooting any decent size magnum plus prefer standing as well! Lol

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I bought a SBH a couple years ago. I've come to the conclusion the 44 mag is all my 65 year old hands can take. Those bigger pistols are years past now. Love my 44 but admire the 454 and bigger.
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.44 Magnum in my 5 1/2" barreled Redhawk is the most I willingly go for handgun recoil. If I need/desire more power, I select a rifle or shotgun.
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