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Old March 16th, 2020, 06:42 PM   #1
 
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Ruger New Vaquero Bisley 357 - any thoughts?

Hi there, was thinking about adding a New Vaquero Bisley in 357 to my collection. Any thoughts on this model? What are your experiences with it. Does it shoot straight out of the box or is it one of those left n low shooters?$700 gun so wanted to get some thoughts. I'm getting spoiled with the great accuracy from my NMBH but am definitely interested in the Bisley grip with fixed sights. Appreciate the insight.



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I picked up a used SS model in .357 and really like it. Most of my guns shoot better than I do these days and my two Vaquero's do very well in that department. At my age the .357 is more often than not is my choice over my old favorite SBH 10.5-inch SS .44 mag, which I still like to shoot with less than maximum loads. If I were you I'd go for it.
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I own three pairs of Bisley in stainless.
Single-Six in 22LR, old model Vaqueros in 357 and 44 mag.

I am told the Bisley grip frame is identical across models.
Each feels like the other in my hand.

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There is a way to check which might be better for you.

1. Find a 1/2" dowel or some other item, I used a long wooden cooking spoon.
2. Hold it in your strong hand with half the item above and half the item below your fingers.
3. Take your standard shooting stance.
4. Now close your eyes and raise your gun hand up as if you were aiming at a target.
5. Without moving your hands, open your eyes and look to see if the item is vertical or leaning forward at the top.
6. The more vertical the item is, the more a Bisley will point naturally.
7. the more the item leans forward, the more naturally the P frame grip will point.
8. Standing next to a mirror so you can see your hand will help to see what angle your hand naturally has.

Depending on the angle of your hand has naturally will tell you which grip will work best.

If you have to move your wrist forward or back to get a straight sight alignment, you should try the other grip.
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Does it shoot straight out of the box or is it one of those left n low shooters?

Wasting my lifetime shooting handguns has taught me that fixed sight weapons are like Forrest Gump's chocolates, in that one never knows.

The first Ruger single action revolver I purchased was a Bisley with fixed sights. It is an accurate piece, but the nineteenth century sights make accurate shooting an inordinate amount of work. Those Ruger single actions I subsequently acquired have adjustable sights. If you want to pretend you're a old west gunman, get old west sights. If you want to hit the target, get adjustable sights.

I don't know if a Bisley Blackhawk in .357 is still offered, but as a previous poster points out, the grip frames are interchangable. I never gave much thought as to the pointability of the Bisley. What I like is that my thumb can more easily reach the hammer and that unlike the standard Blackhawk frame, my little finger has somewhere to grip. You should be aware that the steel Bisley frame gives a different balance than the alloy Blackhawk frame.

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Ha! Well I want to be a cowboy and have an accurate gun!! Like i said, i'm getting spoiled with the adjustable sights of my Blackhawk. I actually put the One Hole rear sight on it and I'm shooting 10 rings all day long from 10+ yards out. But I'm really interested in getting more grip in my hand with the Bisley frame. And the fact that it's all steel at 45oz, I'm almost positive I'm going to like the heft (which is why i chose the NMBH to begin with).

Thanks for the responses. More to follow!
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I have a Ruger Vaquero Bisley Stainless Steel. Mine is .357 Magnum with a 5-1/2 inch barrel. Mine is a original Vaquero with the large frame. The Bisley Grip design really helps with recoil in the stout Magnum loads. The OP is looking at a New Model Vaquero Bisley I’m certain that a New Model Ruger Vaquero Bisley would be a great gun for the OP.
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It would be extremely rare to find a Vaquero/New Vaquero in any caliber that couldn't be made to shoot POA with a little tweaking of the front sight blade. File it a little bit or have a gunsmith clock the barrel a touch if necessary. If it's way off send it back to Ruger and they'll tweak it for you.

Don't overthink the Bisley grip. It's not rocket surgery. If it feels good in your hand you'll be fine. If you don't like it go find a regular plow handled NMV 357. Even if you buy a Bisley and later decide you don't like it you'll have no trouble selling/trading for a plow handle gun.

Personally, I'm a big fan of Bisleys and if it were up to me every Ruger SA I owned would be a Bisley. Most are but a few models were never offered in Bisley so I'm stuck with some plow handle revolvers.
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Ha! Well I want to be a cowboy and have an accurate gun!! Like i said, i'm getting spoiled with the adjustable sights of my Blackhawk. I actually put the One Hole rear sight on it and I'm shooting 10 rings all day long from 10+ yards out. But I'm really interested in getting more grip in my hand with the Bisley frame. And the fact that it's all steel at 45oz, I'm almost positive I'm going to like the heft (which is why i chose the NMBH to begin with).

Thanks for the responses. More to follow!
I have been looking at the One Hole, but I am afraid that holsters or just handling the gun could bend the aperture. How sturdy is it?
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The one Hole Sight is great. Held up well so far. Doesn't get in the way when it's holstered either. I have an Azula cross draw holster and I can holster it and clear the rear sight. Doesn't even touch it.
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Thanks SAAComanche.
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Id stick with the Blackhawks. I like the adjustable sites verses filing a front site to get it to hit the bullseye. Just my experience.
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I am always leery of fixed sights . Not so much for elevation but for windage adjustments .. but I own a few and have managed to luck into 3 that have no windage problems .

38 spcl. / 38 +P / 357 magnum have such a wide range of bullet weights and velocities I would purchase an adjustable sighted model Bisley ...but that's me...
I much prefer my POA and POI to be dead on .
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I used to be leery... But with a gunsmith here that can turn barrels at the range, the windage problem goes away. Have no problem with filing the front sight. All part of getting 'em to shoot where you want 'em. Once set, it's set for good.

As for "38 spcl. / 38 +P / 357 magnum have such a wide range of bullet weights and velocities" ... When you buy a Fixed sighted revolver you should 'settle' on one load that shoots like you want. That is your general purpose load for that revolver. Adjust the sight accordingly to zero and your done. Simple. Personally I have 'settled' on one weight/type bullet for each of my cartridges I load for... For example, in .357 it is the generic 158g SWC. The general purpose load for .357 is in the 1000fps range. No reason to shoot anything else. For .45 Colt it is the 250g RNFP (mostly) or 255g SWC in the 900fps range. If you can't abide by this, this you should own a revolver with adjustable sights. Many of us own both.

Only problem I see with the OP's Bisley is the caliber . Other than that, every shooter should have at least one fixed sight revolver regardless of grip frame. Since the BH/Vaquero .357 isn't heavy on the recoil, the Bisley grip isn't really necessary. For some though, the Bisley fits the hand better, and on hard recoiling revolvers the Bisley 'seems' to be better than the plow handle. Really a matter of preference.

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