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Old February 26th, 2020, 06:08 PM   #1
 
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Single6 .22 Mag Cylinder in Wrangler?

I find all sorts of great posts on the Wrangler but have been unable to find any mention of cylinder interchangeability between the Single 6 and Wrangler. (Single 6 .22 Mag cylinders can be found on ebay.)

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Old February 26th, 2020, 06:10 PM   #2
 
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I think that’s because it would be unwise to shoot .22 mag through a .22 LR barrel. They aren’t the same bore size.
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It's nothing to do with bore - all Ruger Wranglers and Single Sixes have the same .224 bore which is sized for 22 Mag. The Single Six cylinders will fit within the frame wide window but the timing is off and they won't just drop in and work. This is likely by design so folks don't do as you're considering and try to use a Single Six 22 Mag cylinder in their Wrangler and make it a convertible. So far it seems Ruger is not planning on a Wrangler convertible and there is only speculation on reasons why - the aluminum fame may not be up to taking the energy of the 22 Mag cylinder driving back into the recoil shield over time. Or perhaps Ruger doesn't want to give up some of the attributes that make the more expensive Single Six desirable. Ruger isn't saying. Any venture into creating a 22 Mag Wrangler is unknown territory so time will tell whether or not the effort is worth it. Seems like if you really want a convertible just buy the Single Six and get the better version to begin with.
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This entire situation with the Wrangler not being able to shoot or come with a mag cylinder is a set up. Heritage has used a .22 combo cylinder set for the same firearm for decades with no problems. I have 3 Heritage Rough Riders with almost the exact metal composite makeup as a Wrangler and there is no problem using either the .22 mag cylinder or the .22lr cylinder that BOTH come with the revolver for less money than the Wrangler. AND they are interchangeable with all three revolvers using any of the cylinders I own. I think Ruger is doing this on purpose to hook new .22 Wrangler owners into wanting to shoot .22 mags in a revolver......so they buy a Single Six.
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Thanks to all. A Mag cylinder isn't a deal breaker so I am trying to choose which finish is the least ugly.
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I voided my warranty on my Wrangler a long time ago, timing seems just fine, good groupings, only at 60 rounds of 4 different types of ammo, the only noticeable "hitch" is when cocking, if you cock it lightly/slowly it will half cock and then full cock, but if you cock it normally it is normal and just fine. I do not plan to shoot a ton of WMR, I mostly shoot Colibris with this pistol.
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I tried half dozen different WMR SS cylinders in 5 different Wranglers. None would work. The teeth on the back of the cylinder are a different design.

I don't know of anyone that has done an actual metallurgical analysis to compare the wrangler alloy with a heritage alloy, but I really don't thing that a wrangler will just "blow up" when the SAAMI max pressure for a .22 lr and a .22 mag are the same.

I have seen heritage revolvers that are down right loose from use. They definitely wear more easily than a SS.

Still, I have contemplated buying a WMR reamer just to prove it can be done. It just doesn't make sense when the SS can do the job, and do it with confidence.
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It's nothing to do with bore - all Ruger Wranglers and Single Sixes have the same .224 bore which is sized for 22 Mag. The Single Six cylinders will fit within the frame wide window but the timing is off and they won't just drop in and work. This is likely by design so folks don't do as you're considering and try to use a Single Six 22 Mag cylinder in their Wrangler and make it a convertible. So far it seems Ruger is not planning on a Wrangler convertible and there is only speculation on reasons why - the aluminum fame may not be up to taking the energy of the 22 Mag cylinder driving back into the recoil shield over time. Or perhaps Ruger doesn't want to give up some of the attributes that make the more expensive Single Six desirable. Ruger isn't saying. Any venture into creating a 22 Mag Wrangler is unknown territory so time will tell whether or not the effort is worth it. Seems like if you really want a convertible just buy the Single Six and get the better version to begin with.
I stand corrected. It was my understanding that .22 LR only Single Sixes had smaller bores than convertibles, so I assumed, wrongly I guess, that the Wrangler would have the smaller bore.
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I stand corrected. It was my understanding that .22 LR only Single Sixes had smaller bores than convertibles, so I assumed, wrongly I guess, that the Wrangler would have the smaller bore.
That was true in the beginning. Once they started making convertibles, they all have the larger bore.
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I tried half dozen different WMR SS cylinders in 5 different Wranglers. None would work. The teeth on the back of the cylinder are a different design.

I don't know of anyone that has done an actual metallurgical analysis to compare the wrangler alloy with a heritage alloy, but I really don't thing that a wrangler will just "blow up" when the SAAMI max pressure for a .22 lr and a .22 mag are the same.

I have seen heritage revolvers that are down right loose from use. They definitely wear more easily than a SS.

Still, I have contemplated buying a WMR reamer just to prove it can be done. It just doesn't make sense when the SS can do the job, and do it with confidence.
This SS Single Six WMR cylinder will fit into the 2 Wrangler frames I tried it in and it shot very well in my frame. The only glitch being as mentioned regarding cocking. Both of the other people who shot my pistol experienced it and automatically fully cocked it after the half cock. The ratchet column is a very different outer diameter as well as having tooling cuts that are noticeable different on the Wrangler cylinder. The indexing is the same as is the slope of each ratchet ramp on both cylinders. The SS cylinder is about 4 thousandths shorter in length and it appears to be shorter at the gas shield. Cylinder gap is not noticeably large and compared to a couple of Rough Riders I examined it seems "tight". End play of the cylinder in the frame is noticeably tighter than the Rough Rider as well, compared with two brand new examples side by side at a LGS/range, we only changed to the WMR cylinder on one of the RRs. After having shot quite a bit of +P in Airweight frames in the past I have full confidence in Ruger's frame alloy's ability to hold up. YMMV of course. One thing I have noticed is that both Wrangler pistols exhibit wear to the Cerakote at the tip of the ejector housing, they have both been handled and shot a lot, and not gingerly.
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It's not a "set up" its marketing. Why should Ruger develop a cheaper alternative to the Single Six? Why are they obligated to do so? Companies invest the resources into products that fit within their lines and maximize their profits. Cheap alloy SA revolvers are not likely to be big profit centers and the last thing they want to do is cannibalize the Single Six market just to sell cheaper Wranglers.

Vincent you never had a warranty to begin with - Ruger products have no warranty. But you're probably correct in assuming Ruger wouldn't be willing to do any work on your Wrangler now that you've altered it from it's original as-shipped configuration. Such is the life of the tinkerer and that's OK.

I'm with you Frontiersman - If I wanted a 22WMR Wrangler it would be simple to ream the chambers on a 22LR cylinder but there's little point in the exercise, especially since I have several Single Six convertibles already. I think the risk would be frame stretch over time but the liklihood of shooting enough 22WMR to do it is extremely unlikely. 22WMR isn't cheap.

It will be interesting to see where Ruger takes the Wrangler beyond simply the same basic gun in different colors. Maybe they'll expand the line or maybe they just want it to be a simple and inexpensive gateway into other SA products. Hard to guess - just have to wait and see.
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I am pretty sure both pistols came with a written warranty, but I did not read them. Ruger is famous for standing behind their product, but I knowingly/willingly altered mine and would never hold them to anything. I really think that the entry level price of the Wrangler and the fact that plinking with 22s is about all the shooting many people are willing to pay for these days, they have a winner. Because it is Ruger that they based on a tried and true design there are millions of guns out there it shares parts with. I think that all of the open source platforms for firearms have seen wild success, innovation and ever increasing market share, 1911, AR-15, 10-22 and now a Ruger SA that anyone can own and it shares parts with millions of existing guns that everyone pretty much loves. How is this not a win win?
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