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Unread February 16th, 2020, 08:52 PM   #1
 
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From what I understand, a 454 cylinder will drop into a blackhawk 45 colt. Would a 454 rd. chamber and fire in the 45 colt? Ruger tech. says the cylinders are made from the same material and are basically identical. I'm just curious.



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IIRC, the cylinders for the .454 and .480 revolvers are made of a special 465 Carpenter steel alloy. The Ruger Tech that you spoke to knows not whereof he/she speaks in this instance. The .454 Casull cartridge operates at significantly higher pressures (65,000 PSI as opposed to a max of 35,000) than even the so called 'Ruger Only' loads for the .45 Colt cartridge. While a cylinder for the .454 may drop in and function properly (timing, headspace and barrel/cylinder gap), I personally wouldn't recommend it. This from the American Hunter website: "Both models feature a five-shot cylinder made from 465 Carpenter steel (seen before in the Super Redhawk line in .454 and .480), a steel so tough it is devilishly hard to machine. The cylinders are a tad bit longer than standard to compensate for the counter-boring, however Ruger retained the standard cylinder diameter of the Super Blackhawk."

From what I've heard from people who would know, the .454 revolvers will not last nearly as long as the .480 revolvers with a steady diet of full power loads. I really can't imagine anyone masochistic enough to shoot hundreds or thousands of .454 rounds, but I'm sure that someone out there is.

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Sounds like a dumb idea.
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https://www.carpentertechnology.com/...rospace-alloys

The SRH in 454 also used a different alloy in the barrel, according to the article linked above.
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I wouldn't do that... it's not going to end well .

454 Casull (1.383" case length) will not chamber in a 45 Colt (1.285" case length)
I'm sure the longer length of the 454 Casull has saved a few 45 Colts from demolition .
And do not lengthen the chambers of a Ruger 45 Colt so you can shoot 454 Casull in it ...big pressure differences...

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Thanks guys. I had no desire to try to feed one in a Blackhawk. I have given thought to a 454 cylinder for my bh 45 colt. That's before the tech said the cylinders were identical. I would like to have the extra strength of the 454 cyl. for hot +p loads. I shot a few Barnes 225 gr +p 45 LC the other day. These loads have more recoil than my 44 mag. And to me, more than a 454. Got me wondering if the gun can stand it.
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Full load 454 Casull should NOT be taken lightly!

Just keep in mind that the SAAMI Max Pressure on the Casull is 65K PSI. That is higher than the SAAMI Max for the 300 Winchester Magnum (64K PSI), 25-06 (63K PSI), 308 Winchester (62K PSI), 7mm Remington Magnum (61K PSI) 30-06 (60K PSI) and the 223 (55K PSI). It is 80.5% higher than the SAAMI Max Pressure for the 44 Magnum (36K PSI).
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Full load 454 Casull should NOT be taken lightly!

Just keep in mind that the SAAMI Max Pressure on the Casull is 65K PSI. That is higher than the SAAMI Max for the 300 Winchester Magnum (64K PSI), 25-06 (63K PSI), 308 Winchester (62K PSI), 7mm Remington Magnum (61K PSI) 30-06 (60K PSI) and the 223 (55K PSI). It is 80.5% higher than the SAAMI Max Pressure for the 44 Magnum (36K PSI).


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I wouldn't do that... it's not going to end well .

454 Casull (1.383" case length) will not chamber in a 45 Colt (1.285" case length)
I'm sure the longer length of the 454 Casull has saved a few 45 Colts from demolition .
And do not lengthen the chambers of a Ruger 45 Colt so you can shoot 454 Casull in it ...big pressure differences...

Just say no to the bad idea fairy !!!
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I wouldn't even entertain that thought. When the Ruger tech said the cyl.s were the same, that's when I asked about it here. If the 454 cyl. would function in the 45, it would give more protection for the gun, and me, with hot colt loads. I would think so.
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If you want to shoot 454 Casull in your Ruger, send it to Gary Reeder for one of his customs. He will actually build it from any caliber since he changes both the cylinder and the barrel. I'll be getting mine made into the "Alaskan Hunter" when I finally find the right base gun to start with.
https://www.reedercustomguns.com/rev...an_Hunter.html
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Full load 454 Casull should NOT be taken lightly!

Just keep in mind that the SAAMI Max Pressure on the Casull is 65K PSI. That is higher than the SAAMI Max for the 300 Winchester Magnum (64K PSI), 25-06 (63K PSI), 308 Winchester (62K PSI), 7mm Remington Magnum (61K PSI) 30-06 (60K PSI) and the 223 (55K PSI). It is 80.5% higher than the SAAMI Max Pressure for the 44 Magnum (36K PSI).
I absolutely agree. I will never take lightly any caliber load. That's the reason for my post.

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Can I ask why you don't just get the .454? ��
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Can I ask why you don't just get the .454? ��
I like the option of 45 auto with this 0643 model. I think some jumped to an early conclusion that I wanted to try 454 rds in this revolver. I simply wanted to find out if the 454 cyl. would function in the 45 to add a little more security with hotter 45lc loads for deer and hog. Don't have any desire to hunt for bear or rhino where I live. Plus, the cost difference.
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https://www.carpentertechnology.com/...rospace-alloys

The SRH in 454 also used a different alloy in the barrel, according to the article linked above.
Good read and thanks for the link. John Linbaugh wrote an article on the 45 that was very interesting.
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Can I ask why you don't just get the .454? ��
I like the option of 45 auto with this 0643 model. I think some jumped to an early conclusion that I wanted to try 454 rds in this revolver. I simply wanted to find out if the 454 cyl. would function in the 45 to add a little more security with hotter 45lc loads for deer and hog. Don't have any desire to hunt for bear or rhino where I live. Plus, the cost difference.
My particulars, for what its worth...

45 COLT:
I limit all 45 colt calibers to the 14k psi or SAAMI, why wouldnt I with so many 'other' better engineered options. Would add that I do not punish any fine Ruger or any other fine gun with excess heavy recoil, including where its not originally designed for it. Why stretch components and equipment TO ITS LIMITS. Its also fun for me to save for gun if want or need something else.

RUGER 454s:
Then use both my 5 & 6 shot Ruger 454 Casulls for nothing more than 45colt 'ruger only "type" loads' but in beefier/longer 454 cartridge case and gun. If didn't already handload would consider the rare use of 45colt+p ammo but personally avoid any +p period, just in personal principle. For my use, am also comfortable with reasonably heavy bullets (with low recoil) in these guns, the main reason I got them to experiment with in first place.

M83 FREEDOM ARMS 454:
For actual higher PSI, 454 Casull 'minimum to maximum' published loads, I only use original m83 handgun 'specifically' designed 'with extreme strict tolerances' for these revolver loads plus voluntarily stay below 50k psi., having comfortably shot thousands between 35k & 50k psi. Yet use m83 gun for 'rifle type' accuracy with MILD loads too, at significantly 'long, long' handgun distances.

This way, for my own enjoyment, my guns will be reliably serviceable to my standards and expectations almost forever, WITHOUT STRETCHING ANYTHING to its limits.
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