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Old February 14th, 2020, 10:27 AM   #1
 
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New Wrangler, new to revolvers

I just got a bronze Wrangler and haven't shot it yet. I have a problem in that I like to figure out how everything works, so of course I took it apart! Wow my Glock 19 is so much easier to disassembly! So many levers and springs and things. Anyway after a few attempts I got it back together and working just like when I got it.

So my question is about cylinder rotation. I see the barrel end butts against the frame at the pin and doesnt touch anywhere else on the front. Good makes sense . At the rear is where I'm a little confused. It appears the the cylinder rubs on the frame at top of the frame from around the firing pin to opposite of the loading gate and no where else. It looks like a raised section. I thought it odd. But having never owned a revolver before it maybe normal. As rotate the cylinder with the loading gate open it rotates in either direction as I read it should. There seems to be no movement front to rear, or too little to see. It doesnt have endplay or very little. As a result it doesnt spin freely. It rotates but drags a lot on the frame and I can see that the bluing is rubbing off on the outer quarter of the back side, where shells installed, where it rubs on the frame. I put a little oil on it and its turns easier but no way will it free spin.

Is this how it is supposed to work? It passed Rugers test firing on all cylinder as you could see the residue before I cleaned it. Will it just wear though the Ceracoat and get a little less tight? Am I just over thinking this and it totally normal? It appears to function fine. I don't have access to another Wrangler to try one because they got six in and they were gone in less than a week.

Are all you Wrangler owners out there feeling this and its just me?

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Over Thinking it, given my first revolver too, and no desire to check surgically a healthy heart. Just keep her clean and get to know the gun shooting it.

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I just ran a wet patch down the bore, grabbed a bunch of ammo and took the Wrangler out to play.
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Over Thinking it, given my first revolver too, and no desire to check surgically a healthy heart.


I canít help it, I just have to do it!

Well good to know, just grip it and rip it! If it works, itís okay.

Still seems odd.


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Thunderpig, Nowhere does it say a Wrangler's cylinder has to spin like a bicycle wheel when loaded. A loaded cylinder should move free enough where you can hand rotate it in either direction when the loading gate is open. When empty and the loading gate is open, the cylinder will indeed spin freely.

As you noted, the front extension of the cylinder (called a gas block), mates with the front frame to restrict forward movement. The rear of the cylinder (ratchet column) around the base pin, mates with the frame to restrict endshake. The area where the firing pin is located (recoil shield) is slightly higher than the surrounding area so cartridges are pushed into the chamber for proper headspacing. It is quite normal for any SA revolver cylinder to tighten up when cartridges contact the recoil shield.

Yes, the Cerakote finish has "thickness" and may make cylinder rotation a bit tighter. In my own Wrangler, the front edge of the loading gate was rubbing on the cartridge heads so I filed it off then used Testor's silver model paint to disguise the file marks. It now works without rubbing and looks just like it came from the factory.

Keep in mind, Wranglers are $200 guns …. not some expensive precision revolver.... so you can expect some minor non-function related issues. In my opinion, they aren't perfect but they are a lot of gun for the money.
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Thank you Iowegan for the correct terminology, I enjoy all of your posts and pics.
Our two Wranglers have very different "spin rates" when empty, my sons is a lot looser and spins very freely, mine spins but I would not call it free spinning. Both shoot equally well on paper POI is POA. The only wear areas to the Cerakote we both seem to have is the end of the ejector housing, his has probably 3-400 rounds more through it than mine and has been handled and shot by probably close to a dozen of his friends.
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Iím getting the rubbing with the cylinder empty.

I get itís an inexpensive firearm, part of the reason I got it. I had never had a revolver so it looked like fun. I over analyze things seeing how they work and it gets me in trouble sometimes buts thatís part of the fun. I seem to like messing with them as much or more than using them. Guess I just need to get some rounds though it and not worry about it.


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In my own Wrangler, the front edge of the loading gate was rubbing on the cartridge heads so I filed it off then used Testor's silver model paint to disguise the file marks. It now works without rubbing and looks just like it came from the factory.


I went back and looked at mine after seeing your loading gate issue and it appears that mine has the same issue. A little clearance added and my drag issue has been resolved. It was such a same point I didnít notice it. Now just have to find a bronze match. Or just leave it as an education place holder.

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Since the loading gate is tight On mine, I decided to take it apart like you. I’ve taken colt type apart before but never Ruger type. Can someone tell me how to get the trigger pin out? I could not figure out which side to push it to and it wouldn’t push to either side anyway. I did push the loading Gate spring in so that it wouldn’t drag on it but still can’t get it out. And once I solve that, if I can ever find where the hammer spring Guide flew off to, then maybe I can put it back together!
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I pushed the gate spring in and back and forth a bit as the trigger pin has a grove the spring fits in to hold it. I pushed from gate side. On the spring guide I got nothing. Only tip is donít put the hammer strut in wrong as it will go in but the hammer wonít lock back.


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A Ruger tech told me they had a set of pliers to hold the loading gate spring down while inserting the trigger pivot pin into location. I modified a small pair of vice-grips to accomplish this by gluing a strip of leather of an old work glove to one side and a small block of white oak glued to the other, I used a surebonder glue gun with fast set, I have used the tool several times now and it works well.
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Brownells also sells a tool to assist in compressing the gate spring during disassembly/reassembly.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-t...-978-3543.aspx
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I use a 1" C clamp with the swivel ground off so it will fit in the gate spring channel. Works first time and every time with Single-Sixes, Wranglers, Blackhawks and Super Blackhawks.
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Brownells also sells a tool to assist in compressing the gate spring during disassembly/reassembly.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-t...-978-3543.aspx
Good ol Brownell's, and I only live a 20 minute drive from them. I'm a lucky guy!
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Hmmm. Maybe I’m just not depressing the spring hard enough. Is the trigger pin usually hard to get out? It “looks” to me that I’m pushing the spring out of the notch in the pin so it can move. The pin slides a tiny bit but seems it hangs up on something significant. I DID find the hammer spring bar after looking for hours. It flew directly into the pencil holder cup that usually hold s many precision screwdrivers. 😂.
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