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Old Yesterday, 04:06 PM   #1
 
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New vs "Old" Blackhawk Quality

Looking at adding a new 4-5/8" Stainless .357 Blackhawk and I'm wondering if the quality has become better or worse than when Bill Ruger was at the helm. I remember wobbly cylinders, chamber throats out of spec and somewhat clunky actions. Are the new ones any better or do they still have these issues, or worse...?

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I remember when the old Colt Python was considered a premium quality gun.
I've read about the hand-fitted Winchester Model 12 being replaced by the cost-reduced 870, then the 870 Express
I've experienced first-hand how cheap materials, crappy steel and awful workmanship let a brand new Stoeger break the barrel lug after the 12th shell.
Then there are new Remlins vs old Marlins.

I bought three (maybe 4) old model Vaqueros because I like the heavier frame and all steel construction.

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I've read about the hand-fitted Winchester Model 12 being replaced by the cost-reduced 870, then the 870 Express
870 is Remington.

Yes, it was the primary reason for the Model 12's demise, but technically the Model 12 was replaced by the Model 1200 Winchester.
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Sorry... you are absolutely correct and I'm waaay over tired.
I understand the Model 12 was premium hand-fitted and precision fabricated until 1964.
Remington introduced 870 in 1950 as a cheaper stamped-parts competitor.

I have an 1981 870 Wingmaster, and it is wonderfully simple and reliable.
Other than picking up a rock or ?? in the slide, I've never had a lick of trouble with it.
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Getting back to the Blackhawk...I have a 4 5/8 blued convertible that is about 3 years old. No issues at all.

Not sure what the past issues have been, but I love mine. It is accurate in both 358/38 and 9mm.
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I've got a couple old model Blackhawks; one born on date is 1966 and the other is 1970. Then there's the new Model Bisley - born on 2016.
No issues with any of then - although I do prefer the three screw models to the new ones, but I'm old and tend to be somewhat "set in my ways"! LOL!

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I have a 1980's model NM Blackhawk in 45 LC/45 ACP, a 1970's NM Blackhawk in 357, and a 2016 NM Blackhawk in 357/9mm. I haven't had any issues with any of them at all; the 1970's Blackhawk will regularly hit milk jugs at 50 or 60 yards with it's 6.5" barrel, and the 2016 Blackhawk with a 4 5/8" barrel just dropped a coyote at 45 yds last month both using 125 gn hornady xtps. I've never had an issue with any of the 3 and would say that they've all been great fit, quality, and finish; but I have always bought them as well as my Single Six for use not to be collector pieces or safe queens/collector pieces. My personal preference is the NM Blackhawks vs 3 screws, I don't personally like the thin trigger face on a 3 screw but that is in no way a disparaging remark just my own preference.

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Sorry... you are absolutely correct and I'm waaay over tired.
I understand the Model 12 was premium hand-fitted and precision fabricated until 1964.
Remington introduced 870 in 1950 as a cheaper stamped-parts competitor.

I have an 1981 870 Wingmaster, and it is wonderfully simple and reliable.
Other than picking up a rock or ?? in the slide, I've never had a lick of trouble with it.
Many shotgun gurus will argue that the "older" Remington Model 870 ( especially the Tournament Grade ) was a better gun than the Model 12 ever was.
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