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Old February 8th, 2020, 11:20 AM   #16
 
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One last thing, 45 Colt is the only caliber worth buying whether you choose original or NMV. Why? Because it's 45 Colt. If I have to explain it......
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BTW, I have both original and New Vaquero also, both blued. Have only one of 'each' .... Unlike Bonk . Prefer the New Vaquero frame though.... But prefer the Case Coloring of the original Vaquero... Both are 5 1/2" my favorite barrel length. My original Vaquero's cylinder throats were 'way' under sized. After I reamed that revolver's throats, my group size was cut in half. Leading problems mostly went away. Also cut the forcing cone to 11 degrees. I then fire-lapped it, and that took care of all leading problems with this gun. The New Vaquero throats was much closer to what it should be. Reamed also but didn't notice much, if any difference on target. But at least I know they are correct now. Both revolvers needed barrel turned and front sight filed down for correct POI with a 250g RNFP.



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Personally, I like the Birdshead grip best. I have a pair of stainless 5 1/2", plow handles and a pair of 3 3/4" blued with birdshead grips. Ive tried to stay with the plow handles, but consistently shoot the birdshead better. This is in SASS shooting. Over a few yrars, I go back and forth but always better with the birdshead. My next purchase is a Talo Vaquero birdshead in 45 acp 3 3/4".
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Personally, I like the Birdshead grip best. I have a pair of stainless 5 1/2", plow handles and a pair of 3 3/4" blued with birdshead grips. Ive tried to stay with the plow handles, but consistently shoot the birdshead better. This is in SASS shooting. Over a few yrars, I go back and forth but always better with the birdshead. My next purchase is a Talo Vaquero birdshead in 45 acp 3 3/4".
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My first SA was that configuration- in 44 Magnum though.
Surprisingly enough, it is quite manageable even using full-house loads.

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Vaqueros are the best!

Purchased my first Vaquero SS 5 1/2-inch barrel in 2002 in .45LC and it near perfect in all ways as far as I can tell. Couple of weeks ago I got my New Vaquero in 38/.357 SS with a 4.62-inch barrel. I think both fit there caliber just about perfect. Bigger frame in the .45LC and the smaller one in 38/.357. Both shoot better than I can, so no negatives from here. Go shoot!
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Ok, now to burst the bubbles of 45lc fans, I got 357. Why? It was the best deal at gun show because the guy with two case colored was unable to meet on price even though he had 44 and 45 in it. Still looks good with the ruger stable.
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First of all congrats and welcome to the Vaquero club! Great choice and there's absolutely nothing wrong with a 357 NMV. I light heartedly promote 45 Colt but a 357 NMV is an excellent pistol and I know you're going to enjoy the heck out of it. I like the grips BTW.
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First of all congrats and welcome to the Vaquero club! Great choice and there's absolutely nothing wrong with a 357 NMV. I light heartedly promote 45 Colt but a 357 NMV is an excellent pistol and I know you're going to enjoy the heck out of it. I like the grips BTW.
Thanks Bonk. I knew that you were ribbing me. And I have that kinda sense of humor. I do love the 45 though. Still saving brass to roll me some black powder loads for mine.
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Mine is a NV .357 - the “Fast Draw” Talo Edition (also made in .45 Colt).
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I collect original Vaqueros and I own more than a few. I have blue, stainless, CCH, short barrel, long barrel, Birdshead, plow handle and Bisley. I also have three New Vaqueros. Every Vaquero/NMV I own is 45 Colt.

Two of my NMV are my CAS guns. They're stainless 5.5" and I've have no idea how many thousands of round I've shot through them. The actions on both are like butter but I haven't done a thing to them except shoot the crap out of them and occasionally clean them. The reason these two are NMV and not original Vaqueros is because when I started shooting CAS I bough these two used and they were my first Vaqueros. I see no need to replace them simply because they happen to be NMV.

My other NMV is a 7.5" CCH framed 45 Colt. Even though I prefer original Vaqueros over NMV I bought this one because they didn't make a whole lot of NMV with CCH frames and 7.5" barrels.

OTOH, I'm completely enamored with original Vaqueros and I'll buy just about every one I find that's a little unusual and/or in excellent condition. I don't own any that are rare or super valuable but most of mine are not the run of the mill 4 5/8 to 5.5" basic blue Vaqueros. If you made me pick which my favorites are I'd have to say my 4" blue/CCH Birdshead and a consecutive serial numbered pair of 7.5" blue/CCH plow handled guns. All three are, of course, 45 Colt.

I prefer original Vaqueros for several reasons:

1. They don't make them any more.

2. Ruger QC was a little better back then.

3. Even though I don't shoot ROL in my original Vaqueros I could if I wanted to.

4. Original Vaqueros can be found in some pretty cool configurations.

5. It's a finite set of guns and I enjoy learning everything I can about them and trying to become a subject matter expert.

6. While they don't make them any more they're still available and every now and then you can find some really nice examples for sale.

7. As collector items they're still affordable.

8. I prefer the slightly more robust feel of the larger framed original Vaqueros. However, the size difference really isn't that much so don't get hung up on it unless you know for sure you want to shoot ROL.

My recommendation is look for the configuration that appeals to you and not worry about whether it's an original or a NMV. Either one will serve you well and unless you're extraordinarily abusive your great, great grandchildren will love owning them too. One last thing, 45 Colt is the only caliber worth buying whether you choose original or NMV. Why? Because it's 45 Colt. If I have to explain it......
To the OP,

I own a NMV and there are/were only two things wrong with it. First, QC was not top notch and it went back to Ruger to have the barrel turned. Windage unacceptably off at 10-15 yds. Ruger made it shoot better than I am capable of. Other than that the quality is exceptional, including the trigger weight and crispness.

The other problem was me in that I purchased in in 357. I was ignorant to the barrel weight I was getting with this bore and now I just live with it. My only 45 SAA is a Taylor Tuned Cattleman in 45 and like Bonk said....if I have to explain.

And by the way my 357 NMV is blued and I've not touched the front sight. It hits POA with 158gr 38's and pretty close to that with 357's. If I can save the money I think I'd buy the 45 NMV in stainless. And ALL my SAA's are 4 5/8".
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I breath a deep sigh every time I see someone jump on the "there is no old model Vaquero". There isn't an old model Blackhawk either. We just call the 3 screw that.

Blackhawk and New Model Blackhawk.

Vaquero and New Vaquero

The only thing out there with "old" in it was the Old Army.

But, we have developed the language and don't like change, so here we are. Our references use the adopted language. A call to ruger will use the language. And guess what, last time I called Ruger about a Vaquero - they used the phrase "Old Model Vaquero".

Does it really matter if someone refers to the before New Vaquero as the old one? It's hardly worth stepping on someones toes, when we know very well what they mean.

Never Mind the MKI vs pre MKI or the "standard" which could be a post MKI, or couldn't it. Or A54 vs A100. Or should we just say Pre 100. Was there ever a 54 designation by Ruger. Or did I get those two confused?

I just love collecting Rugers. They sure made it fun for us.
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I'm sure no harm was intended. Lol. But I guess I opened that can of worms with my nomenclature post on reloading thread. So a thumb had to be stuck in my eye. Lol
And so, if there is a new model, which the side of the gun clearly states there is, then by default and reasoning we must be able to conclude a previous model. Thus an older model thus an old model. Same as to wording in trade books. Except in the case of the Vaquero where I guess technically it is a different model. But that would really look stupid on the side of a gun.

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But, back to the subject.

I have a Blued/Case Colored original Vaquero in .45 and a New Vaquero Stainless in .45.

As far as weight and "handiness", I don't feel the "wow" factor when I pick up one or the other. The difference is nowhere near as noticeable as picking up a Single Seven .327 vs. a Blackhawk .327. When I bought my New Vaquero the most notable difference was in the grip panels. I had to do a close comparison to see the difference in the cylinder wall thickness and the frame size. which one feels better will probably depend on the size of your hand.

Stainless is easier to maintain than blue. If you get one with "case coloring" it doesn't wear all that well. It doesn't take much field use for it to fade away.

If you want to run hotter loads, I would buy the original larger frame.

Between the two, I prefer the New Vaquero, but with replacement grip panels that mimic the original. It's a bit lighter and I like the new indexing system. I prefer to shoot cowboy loads, so I don't fret over any suspected difference in frame strength.

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I have a stainless New Vaquero in 45 Colt, 5.5” barrel...I love it.

I use it for target shooting at 25metres and load my own rounds.

Nicely made revolver which feels good in the hand.

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Try one of each

Never knew there was an "Old" Vaquero.

Got into cowboy action shooting and bought a store keepers short barreled 45 LC. Came upon a 32 H&R birdshead and just had to try it out. Kind of an odd pair to start shooting cowboy, but I got hooked. Then the 45 LC birdshead showed up and I could shoot 45 LC or birdshead Vaqueros in a match. Found a case hardened 45 that the owner was willing to dump because of a light layer of rust and went looking for a mate. Shipped them to Bobby Tyler and Longhunter for their magic.

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Trouble is I cannot part with the birdshead stainless steel 45 with a Bisley hammer or the 32 H&R birdshead. The birdshead just points naturally for me. The shop keeper was traded. Just could not get the short barrel to point where I wanted it.

I do have a Bisley Blackhawk and a Bisley single six in 32 H&R. They are great target guns, but the barrel length seems to slow me down and shoot more accurately.

I tend to shoot the birdshead more often, but I could not say that if I did try all the available styles.
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I have two Old model Vaqueros in 45C. I love them, they are accurate and easy to shoot and function flawlessly. I was doing SASS shooting so they also match my M94 Win. Best part is they shoot the same ammo and you get more velocity out of the rifle with the same rounds. Also the loading manuals list specific loading for the Vaquero as it is very strong. Try them out before you buy, but you can't go wrong with a Vaquero! Happy Trails!
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