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This is a discussion on Ruger New Model Blackhawk.30 Carbine within the Ruger Single Action forums, part of the Pistol & Revolver Forum category; I had a chance over the weekend to pickup a New Model Blackhawk chambered to shoot the .30 carbine but passed on it. Iíve never ...


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Old November 4th, 2019, 06:49 AM   #1
 
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Ruger New Model Blackhawk.30 Carbine

I had a chance over the weekend to pickup a New Model Blackhawk chambered to shoot the .30 carbine but passed on it. Iíve never shot that round and know very little about it. But now thinking it might be a interesting round to get into. I read a little about it last night and I think someone compared it to the 327 federal magnum which I have the Ruger single seven in that caliber.

What would be your take with the New Model Blackhawk 30 carbine vs the Single Seven 327 fm? Two different single actions and calibers. But are they similar? And which one would you choose?

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Old November 4th, 2019, 07:13 AM   #2
 
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I don't know anything about the 327, but the 30 Carbine is super loud when using factory ammo, because it is a rifle round intended for an 18" barrel rather than a 7.5" barrel. That can be tamed down alot if you reload. I use 32-20 brass in mine and use loads listed in 32-20 or 32 mag, isn't going to hurt the gun at all, be more accurate, and not so bloody loud.
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veeman, the loud part is definitely not appealing to me. But I am currently hand loading the .32 h&r magnum and thought I could reload the .30 carbine too. Good to know the loudness could be tamed down by reloading it. And yes the Blackhawk I passed on did have a 7.5 inch barrel.
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The idea behind Ruger offering a Blackhawk in 30 Carbine back in the late 60s with the Old Model was to take advantage of all the cheap bulk 30 Carbine ammo available at the time. Still no problem finding 30 Carbine ammo, but it's not as cheap and abundant as it once was. Here's our 1970 OM, which we do shoot.


Yes, the 30 Carbine Blackhawk is loud, but it's easy on the hands as far as recoil. If you're looking for a fun, interesting and different single action to shoot, this definitely fills the bill. If you want a revolver chambered in an efficient revolver cartridge, stick with the 327 or 32 H&R
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North country gal, very nice old model you got there and thanks for the info. For some reason the 30 carbine is tugging at me. Maybe for the nostalgia or it being a little easier with the recoil is a plus in my book. Its a bit of a oddball compared to the more common calibers today. And for all those reasons that’s probably why I like the 32 h&r magnum. The Blackhawk is probably my favorite single action to shoot.

So would you say the biggest difference between the new model single six and the new model Blackhawk is size? And am I right that the frame sizes between the single six and seven are the same other than holding six rounds vs seven rounds?
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I had one for a bit and noise and muzzle flash can be impressive. It was introduced when surplus 30 carbine ammo was available for maybe 1/4 the price of 30 30 ammo so it made a great deal of sense for fun to dollar ratio.
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Oh, for sure, the 30 Carbine Blackhawk is a bigger gun than the Single Six or Seven. You won't mistake for ether of those. As for the Single Six and Seven, yes, same frame and grip.

As for the Six versus the Seven, I had a Seven and absolutely no issues, but because I was shooting mostly 32 Mags in it, anyway, I sold it and just stayed with my Single Six 32 Mag. Love the 32 Mag. About as fun and pleasant to shoot as it gets in a single action.
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I can't compare the 30 Carbine with the 327 as I don't have any firsthand experience with the 327. But I do enjoy the 30 Carbine - one of my favorite Blackhawks.

The era of the cheap surplus 30 Carbine ammo is gone but it's an easy cartridge to reload and that makes it quite affordable. There's a lot of talk of noise, fire and smoke and there's some truth to it but the noise is no worse than say a 44 Mag and the recoil is nothing like a 44 Mag. 30 Carbine in a Blackhawk is quite pleasant.

Ruger has only offered the 30 Carbine Blackhawk in one configuration - 7.5" barrel and a blued finish. So if you want one that's what you get - kinda like Henry Ford's Model T.

I like to have "30 Carbine Day" at the range and shoot my M1 Carbine along with a couple of Blackhawks. Here's my Blackhawks:

This old model is from the end of production before the New Model came out.



This old model is from the first year of 30 Carbine production. It has been modified slightly from it's original factory configuration....

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bewinters, guess I could put up with the noise and muzzle flash in order to be part of the fun.

Waveform, nice looking old model Blackhawks. Bet that short barrel birdshead is exciting to shoot. The the 30 carbine New Model Blackhawk I passed on also had a 7.5 inch barrel and the guy said he never shot it. And it looked it too. Do you know if Ruger is still making them? I guess I could also contact Ruger.

Very cool and impressive information everyone seems to have, thanks.
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Sam, Ruger is still making the 30 Carbine Blackhawk. Still only a blued 7.5", Model 0505. Shops around here sell them for $525 - $550 so if it was me looking at a used New Model I would want to be in the $400 - $450 range otherwise you may as well just buy a brand new one.

Certainly nothing rare or uncommon about a New Model 30 Carbine Blackhawk so don't fall for any suggestion they're hard to come by. An older New Model may have walnut grip panels instead of the "hard rubber" (plastic) they have now.

A New Model 30 Carbine with a Super Blackhawk hammer and some nice wood grips panels would be a slick shooter and a lot of fun.
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Waveform, thanks for the info. I’ll make some calls to our local gun shops to see if I can locate one or possibly order one.
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Even a used one is not likely to have been shot much, not many like the noise. OM's can be had fairly cheap in like new condition.
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I did about the reverse of "normal". Several years ago I bought a New Model 30 Carb Blackhawk. It was a fun gun and always got attention at the range with a 3 foot fire plume and a very loud report. One of my friends liked it more that I did so I sold it. Last year I happened onto a person that was selling off his collection of Ruger OMs so I bought a NIB 30 Carb from him. He swore he bought the gun brand new and never fired it …. and I believe him based on the rest of his collection.

So I ended up with a pristine Old Model 30 Carb Blackhawk, complete with box and owner's manual and I still haven't fired it.

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I have examples of both the .30 carbine and .327 Ruger revolvers. The former is 'interesting,' but overly heavy for what it does. A totally practical shooter wanting a 7 1/2 " Blackhawk would do better with a .357. I regard the .30 carbine revolver as a handloader's weapon; as previously mentioned, the service round produces unpleasant blast. While one can deal with it, I see no point in doing something for pleasure I have to endure rather than enjoy. But that's just me.

Reloading the carbine round is hampered by the tendency of brass to stretch, which very shortly results in cases being too long to chamber without rubbing on the breech. I reload 32-20 brass, which eliminates that problem, but raises another set of challenges. As I said, its an 'interesting' round--which recalls the Chinese curse, "may you live in interesting times."

I think the .327 round is the caterpillar's spats. It isn't the quite the equal of the .30 carbine round, but since I download the carbine round, it is close enough for my applications, and offers near-comparable performance in a lighter and handier package. If I had any sense I would divest myself of my Ruger .30 revolver and use the money to buy another longer barreled .327.
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I just shot my new Ruger BH 30 Carbine with the 7 1/2" barrel. I liked shooting it and look forward to working on the reloads. I thought it sounded a bit loud, but since I wear both ear plugs and ear muffs, it didn't bother me. Can't say how the other shooters felt because no one made any comments after shooting. The range I was at has a covered roof and the noise goes straight up and back down on the concrete, so it's noisy anytime you shoot.

As for the photos already posted, I really like the wood grips better than the plastic ones that came with mine. The black plastic grips are too small for me so that will be a priority to get them replaced.

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