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Old March 3rd, 2019, 06:38 PM   #1
 
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My new Black Hawk came out the box free spinning without any adjustments. Iím assuming that Ruger knows this and my pistol is good to go ? It spins in counter clock wise and clock wise when the loading gate is open and locks in when itís closed. Anyone have any input ?



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I can spin mine clockwise when the gate is opened but it won't spin counter clockwise.
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If you can spin the cylinder counter-clockwise something is wrong, possibly.

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Hard telling, what is your model number? Is it a Blackhawk or a Vaquero? Some Vaqueros come with a reverse indexing pawl from the factory. So it depends on your specific model.
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All mid-frame Vaqueros and Blackhawks are made with "free spin" cylinders. They have a spring loaded plunger located under the recoil shield that indexes the ratchets so the cylinder will align with the loading channel. This was done to make the Anniversary Model behave more like an Old Model BH. If the plunger gets stuck (usually from dried oil) the cylinder will free spin in either direction when the loading gate is open.

Here's a photo of the recoil shield and the indexing plunger:

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Talked to Ruger this morning. Ruger told me that it was rare but my pistol had a reverse index pawl that allowed it to do this. My pistol is a Blackhawk flat top mid frame.
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Iowegan , my pistol looks like the one you posted. If my plunger was stuck from oil how do I take care of that?
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BobbyHarrison, Remove your cylinder so you can get to the plunger easier. Hold the muzzle up then put a few drops of powder solvent on the plunger. Use a small tool to push the plunger in repeatedly and hopefully it will break loose. Once the plunger springs out reliably (like in the photo), it will work as designed. If for some reason you can't get the plunger unstuck, you may have to use an Allen wrench to remove the plunger screw that can be accessed at the bottom of the rear hammer channel. The Allen screw holds the plunger and plunger spring in position so make sure you don't lose them when you remove the screw. Once the parts have been removed, you can clean them and the plunger hole, then reassemble.

BTW, your gun will work just fine with a free spin cylinder, in fact a "free spin pawl" is a popular modification for full size frame Blackhawks to make them easier to load/unload. When the loading gate is closed, the cylinder works normally. Some people remove the indexing plunger, spring, and screw from mid-frame models so the cylinder will free spin with an open loading gate.
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Thanks for the advice and help Iowegan.
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One thing nice when the plunger is working ... Is when you hear the click, you can back the cylinder up against it and load your cartridge. Unlike other New Models that when you hear the click, you've went to far and have spin the cylinder around to put the cartridge ... hence the free spin mod (some filing on the pawl) . I prefer to have the plunger working in my revolvers.
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I love this forum! I learn something new every day!
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BobbyHarrison, Remove your cylinder so you can get to the plunger easier. Hold the muzzle up then put a few drops of powder solvent on the plunger. Use a small tool to push the plunger in repeatedly and hopefully it will break loose. Once the plunger springs out reliably (like in the photo), it will work as designed. If for some reason you can't get the plunger unstuck, you may have to use an Allen wrench to remove the plunger screw that can be accessed at the bottom of the rear hammer channel. The Allen screw holds the plunger and plunger spring in position so make sure you don't lose them when you remove the screw. Once the parts have been removed, you can clean them and the plunger hole, then reassemble.

BTW, your gun will work just fine with a free spin cylinder, in fact a "free spin pawl" is a popular modification for full size frame Blackhawks to make them easier to load/unload. When the loading gate is closed, the cylinder works normally. Some people remove the indexing plunger, spring, and screw from mid-frame models so the cylinder will free spin with an open loading gate.
My recent Single Six (blued) has that inconvenient feature where the "click" means I've gone way too far and have to go all the way around to get back to that chamber.
Can I remove the Allen screw, plunger, and spring; and have a free spin setup when the gate is open? Will that cause any other problems?
(Don't have the gun with me right now so I can't look)
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Gearhead Jim, Sorry, only mid-frame Blackhawks and Vaqueros are equipped with the indexing plunger. That leaves Single-Sixes, Conventional Blackhawks, Super Blackhawks, and large frame Vaqueros with the "gone too far click". This is probably the single biggest complaint people have with Ruger New Model SAs. There is a fix and it is quite simple. The right tip of the pawl can be ground off so when the loading gate is open, the pawl will not touch the ratchets. This allows the cylinder to rotate in either direction without being restricted. Once the loading gate is closed, the pawl works just like a factory part. You can buy a new pawl and save your factory pawl in case you want to restore the gun to factory condition. Single-Six pawls are shorter than BH, SBH or Vaqueros. Here's a photo that shows exactly how to shape the pawl for free spin:



Here's a link to Brownell's that lists the Single-Six pawl …. about 8 bucks. Part number 34 in this schematic: https://www.brownells.com/schematics...6.aspx#r34sid6

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I have one new model black hawk with free spin pawl it is noe if a round is not fitting well to rotate to remove it.
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Hey, here is just another example why on many gun forums Iowegan is known as "the man", because not only does he have a vast knowledge of most gun questions, but that he is willing to take the time to explain the answer and even with pictures. Very nice!
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