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Old March 14th, 2019, 09:07 PM   #16
 
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Old November 21st, 2019, 07:04 PM   #17
 
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BobbyHarrison, Remove your cylinder so you can get to the plunger easier. Hold the muzzle up then put a few drops of powder solvent on the plunger. Use a small tool to push the plunger in repeatedly and hopefully it will break loose. Once the plunger springs out reliably (like in the photo), it will work as designed. If for some reason you can't get the plunger unstuck, you may have to use an Allen wrench to remove the plunger screw that can be accessed at the bottom of the rear hammer channel. The Allen screw holds the plunger and plunger spring in position so make sure you don't lose them when you remove the screw. Once the parts have been removed, you can clean them and the plunger hole, then reassemble.

BTW, your gun will work just fine with a free spin cylinder, in fact a "free spin pawl" is a popular modification for full size frame Blackhawks to make them easier to load/unload. When the loading gate is closed, the cylinder works normally. Some people remove the indexing plunger, spring, and screw from mid-frame models so the cylinder will free spin with an open loading gate.
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Gearhead Jim, Sorry, only mid-frame Blackhawks and Vaqueros are equipped with the indexing plunger. That leaves Single-Sixes, Conventional Blackhawks, Super Blackhawks, and large frame Vaqueros with the "gone too far click". This is probably the single biggest complaint people have with Ruger New Model SAs. There is a fix and it is quite simple. The right tip of the pawl can be ground off so when the loading gate is open, the pawl will not touch the ratchets. This allows the cylinder to rotate in either direction without being restricted. Once the loading gate is closed, the pawl works just like a factory part. You can buy a new pawl and save your factory pawl in case you want to restore the gun to factory condition. Single-Six pawls are shorter than BH, SBH or Vaqueros. Here's a photo that shows exactly how to shape the pawl for free spin:



Here's a link to Brownell's that lists the Single-Six pawl …. about 8 bucks. Part number 34 in this schematic: https://www.brownells.com/schematics...6.aspx#r34sid6
What happens if you just remove the plunger screw, spring, and plunger?
Does that produce a working free-spin gun also?
If it does work, what's the advantage of making a free-spin pawl instead of removing the plunger?
I would do this to my New Model Single Six if it's practical.
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This is why I only have OM 3 screw BH`s. There system has been working fine since the 1873 Colts.
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Old November 21st, 2019, 08:34 PM   #19
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What happens if you just remove the plunger screw, spring, and plunger?
It makes the cylinder free spin in either direction when the loading gate is open. When the loading gate is closed, the gun operates normally.

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If it does work, what's the advantage of making a free-spin pawl instead of removing the plunger?
You don't modify pawls for New Vaqueros or Flattops …. as I noted before, Single-Sixes, conventional Blackhawks, and Super Blackhawks don't have an indexing plunger so the only way to make the cylinder free spin is to modify the pawl as pictured above. With mid-frame models (New Vaqueros and Flattops) just remove the screw, spring and plunger and the cylinder will free spin.

This free spin cylinder feature was added to Wranglers, which makes them easier to load and unload than conventional Single-Sixes.

I own quite a few Single-Sixes and Blackhawks but I only shoot a few of them so the shooters get a modified pawl, like in the above photo. I really like the free spin feature …. some people don't so this isn't an argument, rather just an option.
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All mid-frame Vaqueros and Blackhawks are made with "free spin" cylinders. They have a spring loaded plunger located under the recoil shield that indexes the ratchets so the cylinder will align with the loading channel. This was done to make the Anniversary Model behave more like an Old Model BH. If the plunger gets stuck (usually from dried oil) the cylinder will free spin in either direction when the loading gate is open.

Here's a photo of the recoil shield and the indexing plunger:


My Blackhawk in .357 Magnum was made in 1977 and looks like the photo below. Not that this is pertinent to this thread, but this thread got me to take my cylinder out and look. There is no cylinder indexing plunger on mine. If you go to the click and have to rotate the cylinder all the way around to load the next round has never bothered me, or I’ve got used to it. I’m fine with it as is. (Just realized this is an old thread, but I went to the trouble to take the photo and get it uploaded, so I'm posting anyway).

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wingspar, Thanks for the picture …. that's what all Single-Sixes, full frame Blackhawks, and Super Blackhawks look like. Ruger frames like this do not have an indexing plunger but will respond to the modified pawl as shown in previous posts.
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There is a fix and it is quite simple. The right tip of the pawl can be ground off so when the loading gate is open, the pawl will not touch the ratchets. This allows the cylinder to rotate in either direction without being restricted. Once the loading gate is closed, the pawl works just like a factory part. You can buy a new pawl and save your factory pawl in case you want to restore the gun to factory condition. Single-Six pawls are shorter than BH, SBH or Vaqueros. Here's a photo that shows exactly how to shape the pawl for free spin:



Here's a link to Brownell's that lists the Single-Six pawl . about 8 bucks. Part number 34 in this schematic: https://www.brownells.com/schematics...6.aspx#r34sid6
Iowegan,

I ground the tip off the inside edge (top step) the pawl in my Single Ten, now the cylinder spins like a top with the loading gate open...but now the timing is "off". It doesn't rotate quite far enough to "index". The pawl in my Single Ten is a little different than the Single Six pawl, the lower step has a cut-out. Will a Single Six pawl work in a Single Ten, if I get the timing right?

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Cowpokey, I never had an opportunity to compare a Single-Six pawl with a Single-Ten pawl so I can't help you. I would think a Single-Six pawl's lower step would be a little longer because it has to rotate the cylinder farther ????
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Cowpokey, I never had an opportunity to compare a Single-Six pawl with a Single-Ten pawl so I can't help you. I would think a Single-Six pawl's lower step would be a little longer because it has to rotate the cylinder farther ????
I guess I'll just have to get one and adjust the steps with a file. I didn't take anything off the lower step of the pawl, but somehow it doesn't index correctly now. Can't be off by much, but it's defiantly not right.

It had issues when it was brand new, there were two chambers that if I closed the loading gate with them in in the loading gate window, it would lock up the action completely when the gate was closed. The good news is that issue has been eliminated...the bad news is that it doesn't index... Think I'll buy two or three Single Six pawls, with some trial and error I'll get it right.
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...only mid-frame Blackhawks and Vaqueros are equipped with the indexing plunger. That leaves Single-Sixes, Conventional Blackhawks, Super Blackhawks, and large frame Vaqueros with the "gone too far click"...
Interesting. I hadn't seen this before, and looking at my Ruger revolvers, none of them have the plunger. But then I'm looking at the large frame guns an a Single Six.

I do have one mid-frame gun, but it does not have this feature either. I wonder when Ruger started adding this. My mid-frame gun is a 1965-vintage 3-screw .357.
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Semi-related to the free spin idea-

Today I fired about 100 rds through my Single Six and only "went too far" with the cylinder one time. Not too bad for my limited experience with the gun, so I may not do the free-spin mod.

But the small chambers of the Single Six, compared to the NV, make it much harder to properly line up the ejector rod to enter the mouth of the chamber correctly. And the rod is rather rough, so I worry about abrading or roughening the chamber mouths when the rod hits the mouth. Has anyone actually had damage from this?

I was at an indoor range today with the typical crummy lighting, outdoors in sunlight is pretty easy.

My guess is that the only solution is to be more careful (and shoot outdoors). An indexing pin like on the New Vaquero could solve the problem completely, but that would be a major project.

Any other thoughts or suggestions?
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