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Old March 16th, 2018, 08:29 PM   #16
 
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I have some bear experience....but...

OK, here's my "creds" ...I've lived in Alaska since the early 70's and have had only a few first hand experiences with bears...hunting mostly, but camping/fishing/hiking also. I usually carried a .44 Ruger or S&W and really felt like it was enough for any bears I might encounter. My Dad typically carried a short barreled 870 with slugs and buckshot. Neither one of us ever had to fend off a bruin with our trusty guns but there was plenty of fireside discussions about what firepower was enough. One of our friends was a Alaska brown shirt trooper (Fish & Game) and he actually took some green brown bear skulls and shot at them with .44 mag, 12 ga. 30-06 and .375 H&H. The only thing that would consistently penetrate the skulls was the rifles; 30-06 or bigger. Anything else would simply ricochet off if the skull was at anything but a 90 degree angle. After hunting & shooting a few bears, I can say first hand that they are really tough. And I mean really tough. Sure, there's been bears killed with .357's and such but if your life depends on it, what would you choose? Something you read about as good bear medicine? Or something you heard? Take what you want into bear country but I'm most comfortable with my .375 H&H. Even then, don't even think about shooting once; get ready to shoot again...and again. Like I said, bears are really tough!



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In my younger days I did a lot of shooting at junk cars and 12ga. never showed me anything...00 Buck or Slugs were pretty pathetic against cars and trucks...at any kind of an angle 00 would make big dents and take off the paint, but would not penetrate door skin, you had to be close and straight on before it would and it never made it all the way through any door I shot....it would also ricochet off windshields and would rarely go through, but skin and vital organs is a different story, I would want more than a 12ga. in Grizzly country....
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About 40 years ago, I remember watching a documentary about polar bears on the Hudson Bay. They traveled close to a town(Church Hill?) and sometimes endangered the residents. The Game Wardens would try to persuade them to "get out of town". I noticed that they carried Browning A-5 semi auto 12 gauges loaded with 5 or 6 slugs-just in case.
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In my younger days I did a lot of shooting at junk cars and 12ga. never showed me anything...00 Buck or Slugs were pretty pathetic against cars and trucks...at any kind of an angle 00 would make big dents and take off the paint, but would not penetrate door skin, you had to be close and straight on before it would and it never made it all the way through any door I shot....it would also ricochet off windshields and would rarely go through, but skin and vital organs is a different story, I would want more than a 12ga. in Grizzly country....
Yes: 12 ga 00 Buck rounds would not be a good choice for use on Alaskan Brown/Grizzly bears, but a slug round surely would be.

A 1 oz rifled slug travelling at 1600 fps (Federal TruBall 3" 12 ga round), has over 2800 ft/lbs of energy. A 1 1/4 oz rifled slug travelling at 1600 fps (Federal Power Shok 3" 12 ga round) has just over 3100 ft/lbs of energy! Even the 2 3/4" Power Shok loading delivers 2800 ft/lbs.

I don't think a grizzly is going to sneeze at a few well-placed shotgun slugs.
I would most definitely trust a sighted-in short barrel 12 ga with slugs for brown bear protection.
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Yes: 12 ga 00 Buck rounds would not be a good choice for use on Alaskan Brown/Grizzly bears, but a slug round surely would be.

A 1 oz rifled slug travelling at 1600 fps (Federal TruBall 3" 12 ga round), has over 2800 ft/lbs of energy. A 1 1/4 oz rifled slug travelling at 1600 fps (Federal Power Shok 3" 12 ga round) has just over 3100 ft/lbs of energy! Even the 2 3/4" Power Shok loading delivers 2800 ft/lbs.

I don't think a grizzly is going to sneeze at a few well-placed shotgun slugs.
I would most definitely trust a sighted-in short barrel 12 ga with slugs for brown bear protection.
Like I said, I would want more. I'm ok if it suits you.
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Old March 18th, 2018, 12:08 PM   #21
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Big can of Bear Spray always works in SD, not many bear here!!
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