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Old August 11th, 2016, 12:44 AM   #1
 
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Hey folks I've gotten my self in to a skeet habit. I started with a CZ Sporter G2 but I am already looking for an up grade. I was wondering if anyone has had experience with the Caesar Guerini adjustable high rib guns. I am leaning towards the Summit Impact 30". I look forward to your insight and opinions.



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Hey There RedHawker44.
Skeet Habit no, more like an Addition. And it's so Easy to get Hooked on.
I don't have any experience with the Guerini Shootguns.
I do have a Browning Citori that I really like using.
Was shooting 3 times a week and sometimes on Sunday's.
Addicted, Yep you got it ! It's not hard to do.
If the Guerini is what you want then You will not be Happy until you have it.
Way, way, way out of My Price Range. Hope ya don't get one....
Remember the High Price stuff misses just the same as the Low end stuff.
Good Luck
Will post a flick of the old Browning, later today.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 12:07 AM   #3
 
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For skeet? You may have to rethink the 30" tubes part of the equation? The longest barrels I ever took to a registered skeet field were 23" and of my own creation. Seems I ended up with a "high end" Felix Sarasqueta custom trap gun for trap doubles. Besides all of the engraving and mega butt pad and fancy wood stock and forend, the gun had 32" barrels choked full and full. Not your first pick when it comes to a skeet gun, but the owner didn't know a thing about it nor its relative value (nor did I at the time) so I got it cheap and went to work.

I didn't like the LOP so I sawed off the stock to a very short LOP of 12". For some reason I do better with a short stocked gun? Go figure with my 6' 2" height and normal length arms?? Next was the barrel. I had a certain amount that had to come off and the only other factor (besides being over 18" to be legal) was to cut it right at a rib post for bead mounting and even muzzle milling. That ended me up with the above mentioned 23" tubes. I shot for years and many, many (too many to count) cases of 12 gauge ammunition with that gun in both 12 gauge and doubles events. Best of luck to you on your purchase and subsequent skeet shooting, but do you have a hack saw? Really (do you have a hack saw???). Smithy.
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Wow, 23" barrel?
Good for you, it worked for you.
The Browning that I have is a 30" long barrel with 1" long Rhino Choke Tubes.
That stretched it out to 31" for me. And for me it works just fine.
See how you get 2 extremely different Shotguns that work just fine under different circumstances.
True Story -
Was shooting one nite and was shooting with an Old Timer.
He had a Browning that was a 28" barrel said He cut it down to 26" barrel, had the barrels tapped out to use the regular choke tubes in it. He never said what size they were.
He asked if He could try the Browning that I had said Sure.
Next 2 rounds were doubles and He hit all of them, He looked at me and said Thank's with a pleasant Smile on His Face and said He think's it was one of the Biggest Mistakes He had done by Cutting Down the Length of the Barrels.
Just goes to show you how different thing's workout for different reasons.
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RedHawker44, Before you spend a dime, do some research and talk to older skeet shooters. Although 30" barrels may work for trap, they would be pretty grim for skeet where the most common barrel lengths are 20" in an over/under with a very short action block. This allows the shotgun to swing very easily whereas a 30" barrel would just be too unwieldy. Further, since one piece plastic wads and screw-in chokes became popular, 30" barrels no longer have an advantage for goose hunting or trap shooting. Take a few minutes and read an article I posted in the Forum Library titled "Shotgun Chokes and Related Issues". Here's a link: https://rugerforum.net/library/83808-...ed-issues.html
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Wow, 23" barrel?
Good for you, it worked for you.
The Browning that I have is a 30" long barrel with 1" long Rhino Choke Tubes.
That stretched it out to 31" for me. And for me it works just fine.
See how you get 2 extremely different Shotguns that work just fine under different circumstances.
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I don't know how you get such long barrels swung around so fast in the game of skeet. Of course I did mention that I shot the event of doubles and regardless of other shoot events they always seemed to offer doubles in the prelim's. So I was often seen at 410 and 28 gauge events solely to shoot the prelim. of doubles (which of course a 12 gauge is allowed). My first skeet gun was a 28" modified Remington 1100. Moving over from the trap fields one shoot day to the old codgers shooting skeet, they welcomed me with open arms. I went about that first round only hitting four of the 25 targets presented. Dang, but I liked the challenge.

Next a shooter present offered me use of his over and under with 26" tubes. I proceeded to hit 16 of 25 my very next round and was hooked for life. I asked about the gun as I'd never heard of a Perazzi shotgun??? When I found out that I was holding around $10,000.00 worth of shotgun, I froze and immediately asked for the owner to retrieve it prior to me dropping it. I then asked a more economical starter gun for skeet and was told that my 1100 is often seen on the skeet fields, but with shorter barrels and a more open choke. That night was my very first hacksaw encounter with a shotgun. That one (again due to laws and the nearest vent rib post) came in a 21" and the stock was OK for me at it's present length (no 1" butt pad).

The following week and my third round of skeet with my home brew skeet gun and I hit 23 of the 25 and had gone straight until station seven. What a rush and I found my secret. Cheap guns buzzed off to a short swingable length. That's what lead to the sawed off trap special I first posted about. Look at the SASS fellows. All of their doubles are 20" or less due to the nature of the presented targets and the need to hurry along the course both in and outside of building fronts. Short just made sense. I'd love to see a video of you smashing clays with that long barrel to be sure. Smithy.
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RedHawker44, I had a Caesar Guerini, that I got for shooting sporting clays, but decided to sell it. The Guerini is a beautiful shotgun and mine was fitted by Orvis Sandonona in Milbrook, NY, back when I lived there. It was a 12 gauge, O/U, with 28" barrels. After using it for a while, I found it a too heavy and not quite balanced.
I was lucky to sell it for what I paid and bought a Beretta, 12 ga. O/U, with 26" barrels which I prefer, not quite as pretty, but I shoot it well and that's what counts.
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For skeet? You may have to rethink the 30" tubes part of the equation? The longest barrels I ever took to a registered skeet field were 23" and of my own creation....
This was my first thought too.

I have a Remington Model 870 from the '60's and when I shot skeet went to a 26" skeet barrel. You won't need a choke.

My choice for a skeet gun would be a Winchester Model 101 for skeet.
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I like 28" barrels in everything, the last shot gun is a Beretta silver pigeon 20 ga, can't say enough about it, fit, finish, fire all are just fine. Still breaking her in. You can go wrong wit high end gun the joy of ownership and fit finish and fine shooting.
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Wow! I can't believe some of the stuff I've read here in this thread. I learned to shoot skeet at the age of 15 in 1972. My uncle was really into it and got my Dad and I shooting. I was shooting registered skeet targets at 16. Back then, virtually all skeet guns had 26" barrels, regardless of whether it was an auto like the 1100 or a Browning Superposed or Winchester 101. My first skeet gun was an 1100 with the 26" fixed choke skeet barrel. When the O/U bug hit me, I bought a Citori Skeet model in 1981 with fixed chokes and the then new high rib. It was available in 26" or 28" barrels. Because I was used to the swing characteristics of the 1100 I theorized that since an O/U with a 28" barrel had about the same overall length as an 1100 with a 26" barrel I decided on that. Never regretted it. It fit me well, swung smoothly and I shot it very well. I still have it and shoot it from time to time. Sometime in the mid-90s I was getting interested in sporting clays and wanted an O/U with screw-in chokes. I bought a slightly used Browning Citori Ultra Sporter with 30" barrels. I too was concerned about the handling characteristics of such long barrels on crossing targets and if I might be slow with it. At this time most sporting clay shooters had gravitated to 30" and 32" barrels. I shoot that Ultra Sporter at skeet, sporting clays and trap (it has an adjustable comb so I can raise it a bit for trap). It swung beautifully, my swing didn't slow down and it actually helped with the follow-thru. The balance is right at the hinge, where it should be. At my skeet range most shooters use 32" barreled O/Us or 30" barreled automatics. Occasionally someone will use a vintage gun with the 26" barrels but my 30" O/U is usually the shortest gun in the rack. I NEVER saw any serious skeet shooter back in the 70s to now ever use a shotgun with a barrel shorter than 26". Gun mfgs didn't make skeet model barrels shorter than 26" (at least none I've ever seen, some special upland guns had shorter barrels but they were not big sellers) and I knew no one who ever took a hack saw to an an expensive skeet gun to shorten the barrel. Why anyone would give advice to ruin such a gun by doing that and rendering it impossible to ever re-sell, is beyond my understanding.

Now to answer the OPs initial question: The CG guns are solid guns with a good reputation. I've never owned one, but several guys I shoot with have them and are very happy with them. The big question with any shotgun is fit. Regardless of brand name, looks etc. if it doesn't fit you well, you won't shoot it well. Unless you have alligator arms, I would NOT recommend shortening the stock to 12". When looking down the rib, with your head in a comfortable, neutral position, you should be able to see the bead without seeing the top of any of the rib. My preference has been the Browning O/Us. They just fit me well and I like their handling characteristics, but such things are personal preference and I know shooters who love their Berettas, Winchesters, CGs, Blasers and shoot them well. If you like the CG Summit and it fits you well, go for it. It's a great gun and PERFECTLY suited for skeet and sporting clays.

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I just noticed that this is a year old thread. The OP must have shotgun by now. Wonder how it worked out for him.
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I just noticed that this is a year old thread. The OP must have shotgun by now. Wonder how it worked out for him.
I just noticed that as well. For future readers:

My wife shoots a Syren for trap which is a brand aimed at females owned by CG. The whole experience in dealing with them was fantastic. They actually brought several guns for her to try to a CG stocking dealer and factory fitted it for her. She loves the gun.

On the skeet barrel controversy. I shoot trap with a 30" O/U but I shoot skeet with a 26" barrel. Many skeet shooters are moving to longer barrels however.
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