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This is a discussion on New Mini-14, weird cycling issues within the Ruger Semi-Auto forums, part of the Rifle & Shotgun Forum category; Originally Posted by EscapefromNY Which lubes and greases are recommended for these things? I have read very mixed reviews on frog lube. I use Milcom ...


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Old February 26th, 2020, 05:08 AM   #16
 
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Which lubes and greases are recommended for these things?
I have read very mixed reviews on frog lube.

I use Milcom TW25B grease where appropriate and a non-gumming oil where appropriate.

A thin film of lubricant is always a good idea.



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Old February 27th, 2020, 07:12 AM   #17
 
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Sorry your rifle is finicky. Hopefully it is just"breaking in " try some differnt ammo, clean it, lube it, thats all good advice and a place to start. After a few hundred rounds, if no better, I would send it back to Ruger. They will fix it for FREE....rifles get shipped to Newport ,New Hampshire, not too far from NYC, so turn around time should be approx. 7 days. Good Luck
PS I have the same rifle model #5802 and it is a beauty to look at imo
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I have read very mixed reviews on frog lube.

I use Milcom TW25B grease where appropriate and a non-gumming oil where appropriate.

A thin film of lubricant is always a good idea.
Read the same reviews. I have used Hoppe's and CLR on my M&P 9C, but I'll probably get some grease for the mini.
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I like to take a bore snake with me to the range. Occasionally the chamber and the throat get carboned up and with a new barrel it will cause the ammo to feed poorly. When things start to jamb up, use the bore snake to clean out the barrel. Everyone has their choice of lube oil. Hoppes makes a good gun oil. I use 90wt gear oil cut with RemOil with Teflon. The Teflon RemOil is really light so I don't recommend it straight.

The bore snake may not be the perfect answer to a carboned up barrel and throat but it's easy to pack around. ONe of the pull through cables with a brush will also work. I think your problem is a simple solution. Clean it, lube it and then go back to the range.

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Yes, a Boresnake or Otis cable will clean out the bore, but your chamber is larger than the bore, a Boresnake won't even touch the sides of the chamber.

You can make a chamber brush from a $3 flux brush from a plumbing supply store.
Places like Home Depot and Lowes should have them too.
Put a bend in the flux brush as shown.
The first time you put it in the chamber you'll have to cram it in to bend the bristles down to fit your chamber. After that it will have a custom fit for your chamber, be it 5.56mm or 7.62 x 39mm.
The flux brush is the one in the gun, the other one had bristles that were too soft to do any good.
Both good pieces of advice, and I will do so. I haven't gotten back to the store - I own two businesses in the city and I have a kid, so time is crazy precious (hence 5 months between purchase and first trigger pull).
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Let me start by saying I live in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia and chose a Mini-14 over an AR simple because the gun grabbers are focused on the AR platform. A Mini is considered "featureless" and flies under the radar in the PRK.

Here are a few of my experiences from my Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, 58x series. I normally shoot American Eagle (Federal) M193 and SS109/M855 that I used to purchase at Wally World.

My recommendation would have been to use a break in procedure as follows:

Disassemble, clean and lube the new un-fired rifle.
Take a bore snake with you to the range for your first shoot
Then as posted elsewhere:
1 shot and clean
5 shots and clean
10 shots and clean
20 shots and clean
Then go no more than 30 shots without cleaning for the first 200 rounds or so.
Disassemble. clean and lube when you return home.

You have missed that opportunity but all is not lost. Start by disassembly, cleaning and lube. Go out and give it another try. Use the bore snake every 20 or so rounds and things should settle down.

I had issues with the distance the spent cases were being thrown. The standard gas bushing is relatively large throwing cases 25-30 ft. I changed them out for something smaller. Check out Accuracy Systems Inc. (https://www.accuracysystemsinc.com/)

Yes, I've seen some case denting, though not as severe as your examples. Minor denting has not proved to be a problem in reloading. I've also experienced some case mouth deformities but again, not to the extent of your examples. Mine all seem to come out in the resizing operation. I have so much 5.56/.223 brass that it doesn't really matter if I lose a case or two along the way.

I also took issue with the Aperture (peep) sight which I thought was large enough to drive a truck through as well as difficult to adjust. I swapped it out for one from Accuracy Systems Inc.

Finally, consider adding some rubber/plastic bushings so that the recoil does not eventually damage the receiver.

Just an FYI, I had my Mini-14 Ranch out at the ranch a few weeks ago and let my friend who is a devoted AR guy shoot it. He was surprisingly impressed. Also it shot better groups than his AR did on a recent outing.

Happy shooting.
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on my M&P 9C
ZOMG!!

YOU have a MILITARY & POLICE model GUN!!
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!!

(runs around in circles screaming) "REEEEEE!!!"

I remember when Mayor Dinkins and the City Council moved to confiscate all the REGISTERED scary semi-automatic rifles in NYC. No notice, just cops at your door.
When the cops found their own names on the confiscation list?
A hasty revision "or permanently removed from the five boroughs of New York" was made.
Did you know A LOT of NYPD officers lived in a 12x12 cabin in Green County?
It's a hell of a commute... but you could still own your Browning Safari II, or Colt Sporty.
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Oh, the horrors... It's black too. You'd think that a bunch of so-called liberals wouldn't be so scared of things that are black...

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ZOMG!!

YOU have a MILITARY & POLICE model GUN!!
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!!

(runs around in circles screaming) "REEEEEE!!!"

I remember when Mayor Dinkins and the City Council moved to confiscate all the REGISTERED scary semi-automatic rifles in NYC. No notice, just cops at your door.
When the cops found their own names on the confiscation list?
A hasty revision "or permanently removed from the five boroughs of New York" was made.
Did you know A LOT of NYPD officers lived in a 12x12 cabin in Green County?
It's a hell of a commute... but you could still own your Browning Safari II, or Colt Sporty.
The nypd tends to exclude itself from the laws the rest of us have to follow. The magazine cap that cuomo put in place was quickly amended to exclude retired LEO. Laws are for the little people, you know.
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I took the gun apart last night.

- The guide rod is in correctly.

- The extractor does feel very very tight, but it moves. With zero frame of reference, I'm at a loss to say whether this is normal.

Nothing seemed particularly tight or loose. Everything cycled properly. We did put 135 out of 150 rounds downrange without an issue...

I've not yet taken it back to the shop. One branch of their store has a range, and the plan is to put rounds through it and replicate the issue, then get ruger on the phone.

I'll keep the thread updated for everyone's benefit.

Thanks again, and if yuo have other thoughts, I'd welcome them.
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Great, wonder if something needed to "break in." You say that you shot 135 out of 150 without issue. When did the 15 failures occur? What I am wondering is as you mentioned in your original post, your first 50 rounds went fine. Curious how it performed this time around my comparison.
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Sorry, I can see how that was confusing. I have NOT shot it agin since the first 150. In that session, the first 50 or so went fine (I wasn’t paying attention to precise counts) and then it started having intermittent failure to feeds and failure to fires. When it fired, it never left a spent cartridge in the chamber. So no failure to extract. Not sure if that adds much to the chain of clues.

I made the comment that nothing looked egregiously off and added that it did put the majority of lead down range with no problem, so whatever problem we’re looking for is not going to be large (“there’s no trigger! No wonder it didn’t fire!” Type issue).

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Great, wonder if something needed to "break in." You say that you shot 135 out of 150 without issue. When did the 15 failures occur? What I am wondering is as you mentioned in your original post, your first 50 rounds went fine. Curious how it performed this time around my comparison.
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