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Old November 5th, 2019, 07:48 AM   #16
 
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Thanks for the intel! I've been grabbing from Academy when I can, but it'll be nice to have other sources.

Haven't gotten into the reloading part yet, but I'm sure I eventually will once I get some other stuff squared away.
No problem, us gun people have to stick togather.
I used to purchase federal .223 remington 55 grain fmj 100 round value packs from walmart years ago for like $32 a box. But seeings how I have alot of bottom feeders and different barrel lengths, twist rates etc I started rolling my own to get the best accuracy from each. I load these .223 loads.
40 grain v max at 3700fps
52 grain sierra bthp match 3000fps
55 grain extreme fmj cannlure 3000fps
75 grain hornady bthp match 2600 to 2700 I believe.

I cannot remember the last time I bought factory ammo. I load for these calibers as well.
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Check those sites out though, they usually have sales going regularly this time of year, I know they do black friday, thanksgiving, christmas, and new years sales where you can rack up good deals. I do the same. If I can be of any help, just drop me a line or a PM if needed.
Will do.

Currently stocked up with; Federal American Eagle 55gr FMJ, Hornady Frontier 55gr FMJ, and Hornady Frontier 75gr BTHP.

Still got more stocking up to do if I'm gonna feed it 300 rounds of FMJ to break it in. &#x1f601;

Agreed, us gun folk really need to stick together. Thanks again. &#x1f604;



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Old November 5th, 2019, 08:54 AM   #17
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Tacky, when my son bought his first AR he had it all apart and asked me if there was anything special he should do. I said “yeah, make sure you hose down the BCG with the Balistol “ and left. I came back later and he said “how’s that?” I looked at and said “ that’s a start....hand me that can.”

Also, did you ever look into the brass catcher from EL MFG??
, sounds like something I would do. No but thank you for reminding me, gonna stroll over their now, before I forget. Im trying to get my stuff togather to go to the range and test my recent 450 bm loads, hope the rain holds off until dark!

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Will do.

Currently stocked up with; Federal American Eagle 55gr FMJ, Hornady Frontier 55gr FMJ, and Hornady Frontier 75gr BTHP.

Still got more stocking up to do if I'm gonna feed it 300 rounds of FMJ to break it in. &#x1f601;

Agreed, us gun folk really need to stick together. Thanks again. &#x1f604;
I have shot alot of american eagle, I remember many years ago buying remington umc 223 ammo in a yellow box, heck that was more than 20 years ago. Keep them in the 10 ring brother!
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Seems like some good advice just bought be some Balistol. Should I use the Balistol to the barrel also?
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Seems like some good advice just bought be some Balistol. Should I use the Balistol to the barrel also?
NO.....Just the BCG. I use Balistol on my 1911 barrels, (disassembled) as a pre-cleaner and it works wonders. But if used in an AR you would never get all of the Balistol out of the chamber. Oily chambers and brass don’t mix well., the oil will not allow the brass to expand and seal the chamber properly, this could cause an unsafe over pressure situation. I’ve seen guns come apart because of this, albeit they were bolt guns.
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I've noticed that .223 seems much more readily available than 5.56 NATO at the brick & mortar shop where I've been buying ammo.

Ruger's page for my rifle model says that either will work, but I'm wondering how much difference there is, and are there any caveats I should be aware of?
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I've noticed that .223 seems much more readily available than 5.56 NATO at the brick & mortar shop where I've been buying ammo.

Ruger's page for my rifle model says that either will work, but I'm wondering how much difference there is, and are there any caveats I should be aware of?
Not really alot of differences, the .223 rem round is known to be more accurate in rhe 223 rem, and 223 wylde rifles. The chamber is tighter. The wylde allows the use of either .223 rem or 5.56 also. The nato 5.56 chamber is fairly accurate too. However a handload .223 tuned to the rifle is by far the most accurate, seeings how you control the quality, and all will be exactly the same. Factory ammo is made with a high and low spec and as long as it falls into that production range its sold, if its outta the production range its not, so you get variances in bullet seating depth, and case over all length. They are all safe to shoot, it just can effect the accuracy due to variances. But never shoot 5.56 nato in a rifle chambered in .223 remington only since it will create an over pressure situation due to the cut of the chamber and cartridge dimensions at the neck.

I stay away from steel case for my ar's, I found the tula .223 does not have enough powder charge to completely eject and strip another round from the magazine, making the ar a bolt gun basically. I tried it in several of my ar's with the same results, did not function in my standard mini 14 either.
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Thanks Tacky.

I've already decided to stay away from steel case ammo since seeing a few clips on YouTube where it caused various problems with that model.

I checked out the sites you mentioned, one of which has the Frontier 75gr in 5.56 I'd been looking for, so I should be able to keep up my ammo stock until I get into reloading. &#x1f642;

I have a co-worker who wants to eliminate some feral hogs on his land, so I'll be researching 75gr bthp vs 55gr as far as expansion and velocity.

It'll be a good opportunity to see what my rig can really do. &#x1f601;
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You can shoot any ammunition with a 223 Rem head stamp in a barrel with a 223 chamber, a 5.56 NATO chamber, or a 223 Wylde chamber. Since your rifle has a 5.56 NATO chamber you can choose between either 5.56x45 mm or .223 Remington ammunition.

There is not guarantee that any particular variety of .223 Remington ammunition will be either more or less powerful, or more or less accurate than ammunition loaded with the same projectile bearing a 5.56 head stamp. Only be experimentation can you determine what your particular barrel likes best. When you do, buy whatever works and is cheapest regardless of head stamp.

Some manufacturers produce and sell ammunition head stamped .223 Rem and 5.56 that are loaded with the same exact projectile and have exactly the same published specs. I have shot such ammunition using the same rifle and found no difference in accuracy, reliability, or apparent POI.
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For a good hunting round, look at the Barnes Vortec 5.56 70grain tsx. Great expansion, very accurate, good energy.
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Thanks Tacky.

I've already decided to stay away from steel case ammo since seeing a few clips on YouTube where it caused various problems with that model.

I checked out the sites you mentioned, one of which has the Frontier 75gr in 5.56 I'd been looking for, so I should be able to keep up my ammo stock until I get into reloading. &#x1f642;

I have a co-worker who wants to eliminate some feral hogs on his land, so I'll be researching 75gr bthp vs 55gr as far as expansion and velocity.

It'll be a good opportunity to see what my rig can really do. &#x1f601;
Although you can shoot any rounds at hogs, or any animal for that matter, probably best results would be like the hornady ftx tipped rounds, barnes tsx tipped rounds, nosler accubond tipped rounds, or others that are bonded. They are made to penetrate and retain their weight from 80 % to 95%. Hogs are tough, so I would stay away from fragmenting rounds like the vmax, or blitzkings since they may seperate on impact and not dump its full energy deep inside a hog. Those bullets are usually used for varmints with not as tough skin, foxes, coyotes, woodchucks, etc.

I use a 25-45 sharps for hogs, its a .223 remington case that has had the neck of the case blownout to hold a 25 caliber bullet. I load a 117 gain interbond hornady on them. Basically everything on my ar is the same as a normal ar15 but barrel is a 25 caliber or .257. This allows 40% or more energy on the target with the same felt recoil. I also load a 90 grain sierra hpfb for that rifle thats moving pretty good too. Hopefully soon I can try the newest 450 bushmaster I just built on hogs with its 250 grain bonded bullets.
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Wow! I was thinking about trying the Frontier 77gr bthp for the hogs, but I'll look for the Barnes or Hornady rounds suggested from local shops. I'm guessing 70gr would maintain better velocity/penetration?
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Wow! I was thinking about trying the Frontier 77gr bthp for the hogs, but I'll look for the Barnes or Hornady rounds suggested from local shops. I'm guessing 70gr would maintain better velocity/penetration?
Well, not necessarily the heavier rounds usually run a bit slower than the lighter ones. Penetration is more about bullet design, bonded holds together better than thin skinned bullets that are not. Kind of like choosing the right tool for the job really. My 55 grainers usually run around 3000 fps. The 75's I shoot are 2500 to 2600 fps, but those are bthp match bullets and fmj bt cannlures.

I also look into the Hornady gmx, or gilding metal expanding, they are a bonded type bullet that retains its weight, should work well on hogs.
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One of the downsides to running steel ammo is......it doesn’t expand and seal the chamber way brass does, that said it runs dirtier. It also doesn’t spring back the same way brass does. A dirty chamber and a steel case that doesn’t contract like the others equals a stuck case.

Steel cases run great in an AK, but they were designed to run steel. Take an AR and an AK and throw them both in a mud puddle and see which one still shoots......it’ll be the AK, they have looser tolerances.
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One of the downsides to running steel ammo is......it doesn’t expand and seal the chamber way brass does, that said it runs dirtier. It also doesn’t spring back the same way brass does. A dirty chamber and a steel case that doesn’t contract like the others equals a stuck case.

Steel cases run great in an AK, but they were designed to run steel. Take an AR and an AK and throw them both in a mud puddle and see which one still shoots......it’ll be the AK, they have looser tolerances.
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