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Old May 10th, 2019, 08:48 AM   #31
 
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Jarod from Parker Mountain Machine showed me a video of the barrel disengaging from the receiver after firing off about 15 rounds. That's a lock block issue for sure.

Aside from the locking block/hand guard alingment issue the gun runs fine. I was ringing steel at 150 yards last week but that's relative to where I actually hit on the target which was low right at that distance.



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Old May 10th, 2019, 09:01 AM   #32
 
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Jarod from Parker Mountain Machine showed me a video of the barrel disengaging from the receiver after firing off about 15 rounds. That's a lock block issue for sure.

Aside from the locking block/hand guard alingment issue the gun runs fine. I was ringing steel at 150 yards last week but that's relative to where I actually hit on the target which was low right at that distance.
I agree, it's fun to shoot although not very accurate. I'm by no means a great shooter but i can shoot decent and i was only able to get about 3 in groups at 50 yards from a bench rest. But it is fun to shoot! I've also been able to ring steal at about 150 yards which is a fun thing to do.

For me the gun has functioned nearly flawlessly but yes, I've had the hand guard, receiver and front sight post all loosen at one point or another. For me, it's more of a cosmetic issue. i do not think the hand guard being off center is necessarily effecting accuracy, although i can't say for sure. it just looks crappy not having the hand guard line up with the stock. It does look like, at least to the naked eye that the sights are slightly off center too but seeing as i do not use them anyway that's not a huge deal to me.
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I agree, it's fun to shoot although not very accurate. I'm by no means a great shooter but i can shoot decent and i was only able to get about 3 in groups at 50 yards from a bench rest. But it is fun to shoot! I've also been able to ring steal at about 150 yards which is a fun thing to do.

For me the gun has functioned nearly flawlessly but yes, I've had the hand guard, receiver and front sight post all loosen at one point or another. For me, it's more of a cosmetic issue. i do not think the hand guard being off center is necessarily effecting accuracy, although i can't say for sure. it just looks crappy not having the hand guard line up with the stock. It does look like, at least to the naked eye that the sights are slightly off center too but seeing as i do not use them anyway that's not a huge deal to me.
At 25 yards my 5 shot group is less than 2 inches using Winchester 115gr FMJ. I get a little better groupings using 124gr rounds.

I'm convinced that the takedown block (as it's actually called per Ruger) is the primary culprit for fitment issues with not MI guard but others as well. As soon as I get the new one I'll check fitment. If I get no movement at all and it's a light fit then I'll install it to the barrel which will be a chore because I have to figure out the process they used to install it(press fit, dead blow hammer fit, Wing it and hope for the best fit).
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At 25 yards my 5 shot group is less than 2 inches using Winchester 115gr FMJ. I get a little better groupings using 124gr rounds.

I'm convinced that the takedown block (as it's actually called per Ruger) is the primary culprit for fitment issues with not MI guard but others as well. As soon as I get the new one I'll check fitment. If I get no movement at all and it's a light fit then I'll install it to the barrel which will be a chore because I have to figure out the process they used to install it(press fit, dead blow hammer fit, Wing it and hope for the best fit).
That's pretty good for a 25yrd group.

As for the block, i took mine off completely. it's just two screws that hold it in. the dovetails are just there for alignment. You do have to take the take down lever out to access one of the screws. you just depress the spring and then pull it out, then take the two screws out and that's it. the block comes right off.
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Ok, here's the run down.

The culprit IS the take down block. I removed the old one and found that the alignment of the screw hole which holds the guard to the barrel is off center. I ordered the new block from Ruger and compared it to the old and the new one was aligned and not off center. I installed it on the barrel, attached the hand guard and it is perfectly aligned. No issues after 100 rounds and it locks up solid with no movement whatsoever.

So, in conclusion, if you are having alignment issues request a new take down block from Ruger and you should be good to go.
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Ok, here's the run down.

The culprit IS the take down block. I removed the old one and found that the alignment of the screw hole which holds the guard to the barrel is off center. I ordered the new block from Ruger and compared it to the old and the new one was aligned and not off center. I installed it on the barrel, attached the hand guard and it is perfectly aligned. No issues after 100 rounds and it locks up solid with no movement whatsoever.

So, in conclusion, if you are having alignment issues request a new take down block from Ruger and you should be good to go.
that's good to know! upon further inspection of my gun i noticed that the barrel didnt point perfectly straight. It was difficult to tell with the factory hand guard but with the Midwest industries hand guard running further down the barrel it gives you a much easier reference point and you can very clearly see that it points to the side a little bit. So i decided to just send mine back to Ruger for warranty. i'll see what they say once they get it.
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that's good to know! upon further inspection of my gun i noticed that the barrel didnt point perfectly straight. It was difficult to tell with the factory hand guard but with the Midwest industries hand guard running further down the barrel it gives you a much easier reference point and you can very clearly see that it points to the side a little bit. So i decided to just send mine back to Ruger for warranty. i'll see what they say once they get it.
What other issue were you having? Lock up?
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What other issue were you having? Lock up?
my two biggest issues were the barrel not pointing straight and then also the barrel not being centered to the receiver, so my sights and hand guard were not centered. The locking block probably could have fixed the second issue but the barrel not pointing straight was too big a concern for me so i sent it back to Ruger.
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Here is my PC9 with the midwest industries forend.

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Got a email back from Ruger Today saying all they did was tighten the barrel nut and they're sending it back to me. I do not have high hopes that my problems will be fixed. We'll see once I get it. If the issues are still there, I'll probably be returning my Midwest hand guard and going back to the stock configuration and just leaving the gun alone. Pretty disappointed.

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So got the gun back today. I put the Midwest industries hand guard on and had the exact same issues as before. Doesn't appear that Ruger fixed anything. The invoice says they tightened the barrel tension nut which means they did absolutely nothing. The barrel still doesn't point straight and still has a cant to it. Kind of at a lose on what to do. A part of me wants to get my money back for the Midwest parts and just through this gun in the safe and forget about it. I might call Ruger Monday and see if there is anything else they can do but I don't have high hopes.

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You can trade it in and get the newer models.
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You can trade it in and get the newer models.
Do they do that? I'm not trying to pay full price for another Ruger. I have zero confidence in their quality control.

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I hate to hear these issues, am considering a PCC. But I have a questions, do the MI and other aftermarket hand guards fit all the PCC’s? Or do I need to order one with the Ruger free-floating guard to be able to add an aftermarket version?

Thanks! And I am following this thread for a resolution to your problems.
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I hate to hear these issues, am considering a PCC. But I have a questions, do the MI and other aftermarket hand guards fit all the PCC’s? Or do I need to order one with the Ruger free-floating guard to be able to add an aftermarket version?

Thanks! And I am following this thread for a resolution to your problems.
So if you want to get the MI hand guard you'll need to get the standard model of the PC carbine. The free float model has a completely different mounting system. It seems like most people don't have any issues with the standard model and MI hand guard. There is just a couple unlucky ones, myself included who do. Overall it's been a great gun though, very gun to shoot. Regardless of what happens with the hand guard I still plan to keep the gun and shoot it often. I just might be getting rid of the aftermarket parts.

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