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Old April 17th, 2019, 02:19 PM   #31
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Why 40 S&W and not 45 ACP?
Especially since Ruger doesnít make a semi handgun in 40 right now.



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Old April 17th, 2019, 04:38 PM   #32
 
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I was wondering the same thing.

Although I hope never to be shot... if I was and I had a choice, I would rather get hit by a 22lr over any of the normal SD calibers.


These little carbines have caused curious reactions in the shooting community. I absolutely love mine and will probably buy another. It has great utility and is truly a "camp" carbine for my usage.

Plenty of people seem to really not like the idea though, not sure why other than it doesn't fit in their box of what guns should be.
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After reading many threads on the PC Carbine, I don't recall seeing a single person saying, "I wish it had a free float handguard with M-LOK slots," though I certainly may have missed it. I only recall wishes for other calibers, other mag adapters, and wood stock and forend. But apparently the folks who want M-LOK handguards a.) don't frequent this forum and b.) wrote to Ruger in droves asking for it.
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After reading many threads on the PC Carbine, I don't recall seeing a single person saying, "I wish it had a free float handguard with M-LOK slots," though I certainly may have missed it. I only recall wishes for other calibers, other mag adapters, and wood stock and forend. But apparently the folks who want M-LOK handguards a.) don't frequent this forum and b.) wrote to Ruger in droves asking for it.
i think it's great. i like a thumb over bore grip and am currently unable to do that. So the new hand guards coming out will be awesome.
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i think it's great. i like a thumb over bore grip and am currently unable to do that. So the new hand guards coming out will be awesome.
Agreed!!

Many who shoot 3 Gun or want to compete with the Ruger as PCC like the thumb over barrel or C clamp grip which was not possible with the original PCC. This free float barrel changes that and opens up a new market for the PCC as cost competitive with AR based 9 mm carbines.

Put a flashlight on and/or a laser and it becomes another potential home defense solution.

Ruger knows how to expand their market base.
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JohnR, I agree. In fact, I would go so far as to say that for most purposes a 10/22 with good ammo is a lot more useful, and even just as effective as a 9mm carbine.

Effective at what?
Please don't take what I am about to say the wrong way.

I have a non-Ruger semi auto .22 that will single hole at 75 yards. It will do dime size holes at 100 yards... NOT using match ammo.

That is eye socket size for most creatures... up to and including two legged ones... and grey matter has a hard time recovering from lead poisoning.

So effective at what???

Don't under estimate the lowly .22 when the ammo works well in a well made barrel.
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That being said... if Ruger did this carbine in .45 , and they made it with an adapter for 1911 mags... I would be all over that! Same for the 9mm, (1911), too.
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That being said... if Ruger did this carbine in .45 , and they made it with an adapter for 1911 mags... I would be all over that! Same for the 9mm, (1911), too.
Marlin made their Camp Carbine in 45 acp that took standard mags from 1985-1999. They just did not sell enough to keep them in production. The 9mm version did not hold up very well because folks were shooting cheap import 9mm ammo in them, which was actually plus P level, designed for machine guns. And the 45 acp does not gain much velocity with the 18 inch barrel, less than 200 fps, so not much power gain. Not legal for hunting deer in most states, so they just dropped them from production In fact, once you pass about 50 yards, you would be much better off with a 30 cal carbine. But then again, the same size weight gets you into the ARs or Mini 14s, Mini 30 etc. same or less money, so no market for them. FYI
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The biggest issue with the Marlin camp rifles was the bolt buffer at the rear of the receiver. It was made of plastic and would crack with heavy loads and usage. I'm surprised that no one hasn't machined a replacement out of urethane because it's alot more durable.

The second issue, (IIRC), is that they were only compatible with certain 9mm S&W mags, and nobody had come up with the idea of the magwell adapter yet
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After reading many threads on the PC Carbine, I don't recall seeing a single person saying, "I wish it had a free float handguard with M-LOK slots," though I certainly may have missed it. I only recall wishes for other calibers, other mag adapters, and wood stock and forend. But apparently the folks who want M-LOK handguards a.) don't frequent this forum and b.) wrote to Ruger in droves asking for it.
You are not reading enough forums. The USPSA, IDPA, 3-gun forums have had many requests for an AR-type handguard for the Ruger PC Carbine and a couple of aftermarket makers already offer them. Ruger is meeting a wide spread demand elsewhere.

Remember, the PC Carbine is very popular for speed competitions in states that limit AR ownership for cosmetic reasons. Ruger has the right gun at the right time and was not foolish enough to limit it to proprietary magazines as it did with the original Police Carbines.
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The biggest issue with the Marlin camp rifles was the bolt buffer at the rear of the receiver. It was made of plastic and would crack with heavy loads and usage. I'm surprised that no one hasn't machined a replacement out of urethane because it's alot more durable.

The second issue, (IIRC), is that they were only compatible with certain 9mm S&W mags, and nobody had come up with the idea of the magwell adapter yet
The new polymer buffers are made by Blackjack buffers/Power custom and they are guaranteed to last 5,000 rounds . The marlin factory buffers were brittle crap and only lasted +/- 1,000 rounds. I have a Camp 9 and it takes S&W 5900/6900 series magazines which is ok cuz you can get 20 rounders for it that work great.
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I think a PC in 10mm might be worthy of some thought. I've read articles about bear being taken with 10mm handguns so maybe the extra velocity of the longer barrel would be great for deer/hogs etc. Especially if the Glock G20 mags were used. I know I'd have some interest if they offered it in 10mm maybe even 45ACP with some +p ammo.
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The .40 cal. Iím happy about. The tacticool looking one with the free floating hand guard, not so much.

My biggest issue with pistol caliber carbines like this is that too me theyíre basically expensive toys. They cause us headaches at our range. We have steel at 25, 50 and 100 yards. The steel at 25 and 50 is for rimfire and handguns, and we have a hard time keeping people from shooting it with ARís. Weíve decided not to let people shoot the closer steel with pistol caliber carbines, as it confuses other shooters who think the carbines are rifles.

When we did allow shooting the 25 and 50 yard swingers with pc carbines, people seemed to waste a lot of expensive ammo blasting away at short range.

Iíve tried out Ruger PC Carbines at the range and have not been all that impressed. Accuracy seems to be lacking- at least with the examples Iíve tried out.

Ruger has found something that sells, and I say more power to them. Itís just not my cup,of tea.
I have the PC9 with a cheap TruGlo red dot on top and I can hit an 8" plate at 100 yds every time. That is accurate enough for me, and better than I can do with my G19. Practical? Maybe not. Lots of fun? Absolutely.
As for the knuckleheads at your range who are shooting the short range steel with ARs: They are either mentally deficient and can't follow instructions, or they just don't give a damn. Either way, just kick their *** off the range. It is unfair to punish the innocent for the actions of the guilty, ala gun control. As for people wasting expensive ammo "blasting away": Maybe that is their definition of "the pursuit of happiness". What do you care? Are you paying for the ammo?
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I picked up my PC9 about a month ago. Of course they come out with the 40 caliber after I bought mine.
I wasn't willing to pay the inflated price for a used PC40 on the auction sites
I felt that an AR9 is over kill. You don't need that much rifle to shoot a 9mm
Buds had a used Marlin camp carbine in 45 when I was there. I decided to go with the more reliable PC9
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I agree! The old PC4 carbines are way overpriced at this time. Now that the PCC40 is available, the prices of the old ones will go down.
The Marlin Camp Carbines need some parts upgrades to compete with the new stuff on the market and that will set you back a few dollars.
I think you made a good choice
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