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Old October 18th, 2019, 11:25 AM   #31
 
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I don't shoot my Mark III too often, so every time I want to field strip it I have to watch a video. I just can't seem to remember when to put the mag in, when to take it out, when to tilt the gun this way then that way. It is a pain to reassemble. So most of the time I just run a boresnake down the barrel and call it good. If the difference in price is not too great I would go for the Mark IV just to avoid the frustration. It kinda ticks me off every time I think about the fact that I bought my Mark III just about one year before they came out with the Mark IV. I have even considered selling the III to buy the IV and take the monetary hit to have the easier reassembly. But like I said, I don't shoot it that often, and I don't field strip it every time I do.



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lord1e, The very reason why Ruger designed the MK IV with a one button take down is for the many owners that are "mechanically challenged". Some of us find MK I, MK II, and even MK IIIs are pretty easy to disassemble and reassemble but for many others, it's just beyond their mechanical aptitude. For that reason, you will get different responses so let your mechanical skills be your guide.

DenStinett, The magazine release behind the trigger and the "drop free" feature is handy for training to simulate a 1911 (or other centerfire pistol) but the primary reason for these two features is SAFETY. Try this: With a MK I or MK II, place a laser bore sighter in the barrel then go through the process of removing the empty magazine and replacing it with a fresh magazine. I can guarantee the laser dot will end up on things you don't intend to shoot. At a range, this will make other people very nervous. The same can be done with an unaltered MK III that doesn't have the magazine "drop free" feature. With a combination of these two handy features, you can easily keep the muzzle safely pointed down range when changing magazines.

Here's a challenge for our members: Find a MK IV that will shoot better groups or function as flawless as my old MK II or my MK III.





BTW, I disabled the magazine disconnect in my MK III (bottom photo) which now allows magazines to drop free.

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When I recently purchased my Mark ll Target with the Bull Barrel, I was also shown a Mark lV. There was about a $150.00 price difference and I liked the appearance of the Mark ll over the lV. I tend to like the challenge of maintaining things myself, so immediately set out to do so. One of the youtube presentations showed an owner reassembling his Mark ll in 12 sec. Another showed a girl about 12 yr old disassemble and reassemble a Mark ll, clearly describing each step.

I fired 40 rounds of old, cheap amo through the gun before the through cleaning and 60 rounds of CCI Mini Mags after the cleaning. I had one FTF with the cheap amo (40 rounds) and no failure of any kind with the later 60 rounds. I could not be happier with my choice.
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I think having the fingers of a 12 year old girl would be an advantage working on a Mark II lol
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Old November 19th, 2019, 06:34 PM   #35
 
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The Hammer Strut Support really works well for reassembling the MkI, II & III
Check-out the Vudeo:

HammerStrutSupport.com
Also available thru Volquartsen, Ebay and Amazon
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I can't wait to get my hands on a Mark IV Competition.
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The Hammer Strut Support really works well for reassembling the MkI, II & III
I have to disagree.

If you note at 6:50 in the video, the gentleman still has to point the gun up to capture the strut in the MSH. It does nothing to make reassembly any easier. What it does do is make disassembly easier because you don't have to point the gun up before removing the bolt.

After buying a MKIII LCI slot filler, I appreciated the clever use the set screw. This got me thinking I could use one to end the trapped strut problem. So I added one:



This was years before the "Hammer Strut Support" came out. But I'm glad it came out with the erroneous claim of making reassembly easier. That's because it got me thinking there should be a way to end the (minor) problem of capturing the strut for assembly as well. It took less than an hour to find, make, install, and adjust a fix. Here's one of my mark pistols (muzzle down) showing the MSH drop into the frame auto-capturing the strut:







All my mark pistols now disassemble AND reassemble in seconds, making the PB takedown of the MKIV a moot point. And the fix only cost me about 6 cents.

I had a MKIV, but sold it off. I hate the lever safety that's in the way when on Fire and out of the way on Safe. Didn't like the (absence of) weight of the aluminum frame either. I'd buy another MKII in a second, but never will own another MKIV. YMMV.
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Ruger MKII vs IV

I've got 4 MKII's. They all shoot well. Installing Volquartsen kits removed my inability to re-assemble them.
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I have to disagree.
Very creative fix you came-up with, but "I have to disagree"
What the Hammer Strut Support actually does; is keep the Hammer Strut from falling in and getting stuck behind the Sear Spring Stop (Cross) Pin when reassembling the Pistol
And it DOES do a GREAT job of doing THAT

Granted, your fix does the same
It is absolutely, physically impossible, to get the Strut stuck, since you've removed the majority of that Cross Pin
Although, not everyone has the mechanical aptitude to accomplish your fix
But most anyone can move a pin !
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The MkIII was the first gun I fell in love with and learning the take down was super helpfull to me. Just because it take a bit more love and attention doesn't mean it's not worth it. MK II is a good solid proven gun. If I had to buy again, I would look for a good MKII.
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Actually, no Hammer Strut "Fix" is needed in any of the Ruger Mk's...just follow the OM re-assembly directions Exactly!

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Actually, no Hammer Strut "Fix" is needed in any of the Ruger Mk's...just follow the OM re-assembly directions Exactly!

Ted
Very true. I'm just trying to figure out how some people are managing to get the strut trapped during reassembly.

As far as I can see, the only way for the strut to become trapped is if the hammer gets rotated back after being forward. This happens during disassembly when the bolt is being removed. At no time is the hammer rotating back during reassembly (at least not in my reassembly process).

And even when/if the strut does become trapped, pointing the muzzle down and pulling the trigger makes the hammer fall forward and frees it again. At least that's the way it works if you haven't modified the trigger to eliminate all over travel.

I didn't modify my pistols because I had any trouble taking them apart or putting them back together. I modified them because I found the "Ruger Dance" to be stupid and completely unnecessary. Inserting/removing mags and pointing the pistol up/down is just pathetic IMO. KISS seems beyond Ruger's design engineers. Easy cleaning shouldn't be rocket science (or a 12 step dance).

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I have 1995 MKII. I read the instruction manual. I can take it down and put it together. That is all.
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I have 1995 MKII. I read the instruction manual. I can take it down and put it together. That is all.
What more is there ?
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I own a mark 1, 2 mark 2s & 2 mark 3s. I think the fit & finish is much better on the mark 2 and the stainless m2 is the best all around.
i'm going to agree... although i have used a MK IV and it is a good pistol...

i started out with a MK III stainless target, have now moved to all stainless MK II frames w/a MK III target, MK II slabside w/custom threading, and MK II/III 4.5" threaded Pac-Lite upper

i did this because i had an investment in a dozen MK III magazines, then found a MK II with six magazines...

unfortunately the MK IV is not backwards compatible with older uppers, frames or magazines (and some parts)...

additionally, the MK II frame is simple, rugged, and elegant with fewer moving parts, no insipid magazine disconnect, and no Hillary hole:



just my $0.02

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