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Old March 22nd, 2020, 04:46 PM   #16
 
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Let's start by knocking off the nasty comments. This is supposed to be a friendly forum!

In case people aren't aware, back in March 14, 2004, the Small Arms and Ammunition Institute (SAAMI) approved "Drop Test" standards for all US gun manufacturers that spells out test procedures. The first test is for all guns and it involves dropping a cocked gun, loaded with a primer only cartridge and it's manual safety in the "SAFE" position.

The next test is for all guns and it involves dropping a cocked gun loaded with a primer only cartridge and it's manual safety (if so equipped) in the "FIRE" position.

The last test is for long guns only and involves a cocked rifle or shotgun falling over from leaning against an object.

Although SAAMI standards are "optional", virtually all US manufacturers comply with them to uphold safety standards. Ruger is one of the voting members on the SAAMI board so all guns made by them comply with these standards. Here's a link for the "drop test" standards.
https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads...-3-14-2016.pdf

Just a comment about 1911s …. There are several different designs that comply with SAAMI standards to include the Colt Series 80 designed firing pin block actuated by the trigger, the Kimber designed firing pin block actuated by the grip safety, and the Ruger design which is a combination of a heavy firing pin spring and a light titanium firing pin. There may be even more that I'm not aware of. All of these designs exceed SAAMI safety standards and similar standards implemented by California. Point being …. just because a gun doesn't have a firing pin block, it doesn't mean they aren't safe or don't pass SAAMI standards.
can you please watch the video and jay shows believe it is at the 9:47 mark how and why he feels this pistol should never be carried cocked and locked. Will the gun go off if bumped hard goimg in and out of a door or dropped who knows but sig p320 found out.the hard way



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That did get ugly fast...which is quite unusual for this form.

The insides of the 57 look a lot like the Security9 and LCPII. Do those have a FP block? Haven't heard of those being unsafe. I don't have any of these and don't have a dog in this fight, but want to learn.

Here's what I found in the 57 manual:
Additional safety features include:integrated trigger safety to block the trigger unless it is intentionally pulled; neutrally balanced sear with significant engagement and strong spring tension; and hammer catch to help prevent the hammer from contacting the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled
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Maybe this will prove to be an issue and maybe not. It's far too early in this gun's life to make a determination. If a year from now a whole bunch of people have them and we start hearing about drop discharges, fine, Ruger will address and fix it, you can be sure of that. With the tiny number of these guns out there currently, and with zero reports of actual discharges upon dropping, I think it's somewhat premature to claim the sky is falling. If I'm wrong, then so be it. I've been wrong before and will continue to be wrong from time to time for as long as I live , but I am currently not overly concerned.
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Maybe this will prove to be an issue and maybe not. It's far too early in this gun's life to make a determination. If a year from now a whole bunch of people have them and we start hearing about drop discharges, fine, Ruger will address and fix it, you can be sure of that. With the tiny number of these guns out there currently, and with zero reports of actual discharges upon dropping, I think it's somewhat premature to claim the sky is falling. If I'm wrong, then so be it. I've been wrong before and will continue to be wrong from time to time for as long as I live <img src="https://rugerforum.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />, but I am currently not overly concerned.
well said and i will call rugar mon and ask them
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That did get ugly fast...which is quite unusual for this form.

The insides of the 57 look a lot like the Security9 and LCPII. Do those have a FP block? Haven't heard of those being unsafe. I don't have any of these and don't have a dog in this fight, but want to learn.

Here's what I found in the 57 manual:
Additional safety features include:integrated trigger safety to block the trigger unless it is intentionally pulled; neutrally balanced sear with significant engagement and strong spring tension; and hammer catch to help prevent the hammer from contacting the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled
the video seemed to indicate the safety can be bypassed if dropped hard enough will.habe to call ruger
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Ruger's American Pistol, Pro Duty model, does not have one either but it does have another means to do the same thing so no big deal.
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This thread is freakin nuts. Some folks probably have apoplexy with the thought of carrying a 1911 series 70 cocked and locked.

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Just a comment about 1911s . There are several different designs that comply with SAAMI standards to include the Colt Series 80 designed firing pin block actuated by the trigger, the Kimber designed firing pin block actuated by the grip safety, and the Ruger design which is a combination of a heavy firing pin spring and a light titanium firing pin.
I apologize for the thread drift but Kimber didn't design that style of passive firing pin block, Colt did. Or more accurately a Colt employee named William Swartz designed and patented the "Swartz Safety" in 1938. Colt made a few 1911's with that safety but dropped it when the Army didn't want it on pistol orders place just before WWII and they never reintroduced it.

The downside to the Swartz safety is the pin raised by the grip safety can be sheared off if the slide is removed or replaced while the grip safety is depressed.

The patent has long expired and both Kimber and S&W adopted the design. I had a Kimber Stainless Target with that safety and the owner's manual was very explicit saying not to grip the gun so as to depress the grip safety during slide removal and reinstallation.

Now, back to our originally scheduled program.
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Iowegan as usual is exactly right.

trekspeedconcept, if you want a firing pin block, buy a gun with it, no one is making you buy a Ruger 57.
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Iowegan as usual is exactly right.

trekspeedconcept, if you want a firing pin block, buy a gun with it, no one is making you buy a Ruger 57.
The best post of the thread!!!! Thank you!
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This thread is freakin nuts. Some folks probably have apoplexy with the thought of carrying a 1911 series 70 cocked and locked.
A series 70 1911 has never bothered me .

If the 57 passed the required government drop test I wouldn't worry too much about it .

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This thread is freakin nuts. Some folks probably have apoplexy with the thought of carrying a 1911 series 70 cocked and locked.
And that because it was determined that a 1911 dropped on the muzzle from a distance of 12' could go off. Yet, as far as I know, it has never happened, probably because the chance of a firearm falling 12' and landing muzzle down is very unlikely.
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And I've never felt in jeopardy carrying my series 70!
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And keep in mind that the guy who made the video referenced in the first post in this thread spoke of a video made by Tim and Military Arms Channel.

When I heard that, I stopped watching.

Just another hatchet job.

(I'm surprised there was no claim of sore knuckles in the video).
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This thread is freakin nuts. Some folks probably have apoplexy with the thought of carrying a 1911 series 70 cocked and locked.
A series 70 1911 has never bothered me .

If the 57 passed the required government drop test I wouldn't worry too much about it .

My Rule #1: Don't rely on U-Tubers for informed and correct information .
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I called ruger today they told me they will review..the video and get back to me. They did agree.the pistol passed the drop saety test.

But.for.the others who attacked me for not feeling comfortable about a passive firing pin block i rhink you have no right to try and bully me into doing something umsafe so you lmow where you.can go
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