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Old March 13th, 2020, 08:53 AM   #91
 
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Strutter, I'm curious: why no heat and dry? Not being critical at all; different strokes and all, and if it worked, great -- it would be less of a hassle. (The idea of using Windex sounds quite messy.) But I am curious. Also, what photo host do you use? I need one.

Gladius, I can totally understand having the "put safety back on" being harder than taking it off. Makes perfect sense. That's where I am now, finally. I can click it off with easily with my strong hand while holding in shooting position, but must use my off hand to click it back on -- it is slightly harder. No issue with that at all; no hurry needed to get it back on. But you're right that the original problem and even for the first day or two after I got it back was WAY harder; it was nearly frozen. I couldn't even do it with bare hands, only with a leather glove on. Even my LGS owner said it was too hard. But now, it feels fine. Go figure.

Good to read about another successful Metoprolol user. This is only day three for me, but so far, so good. Anything to prevent those lightheaded spells, some of which brought me very close to passing out: darkness increasing, seeing stars -- had to get my head lower than my butt to keep from passing out. No fun at all. We'll see what the cardio guy says.

I laughed at your wish for a "small issue" because I understand. I'm on fixed income (speaking only for myself) and have to be really careful with purchases. But I think at $12 shipped, these grips are going to be worth it. I had Hogue monogrips on a little SW 642 airweight .38 spl +p some years ago. That thing was a wonderful little revolver, but the kick was mule-like, especially with the tiny, 2-finger stock grips. The monogrips totally tamed it. A bit harder to conceal, but I carried OWB instead of pocket, so it worked fine.

I can imagine your LCP must be similar, and can imagine a set of these Hogue's would really help with recoil.
I guess I'm kinda picky about things...didn't want any foreign substance used to put it on. Once on you will be extremely happy with it. Put a Hogue on my Ruger P90DC 25 years ago and have been a fan since.



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Old March 13th, 2020, 09:47 AM   #92
 
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Put my grip on with no heat and completely dry...took a lot of work but it was worth it.
I originally tried heating mine with a hair dryer but it didn't seem to help much. In the end it took a lot of 'brute strength' and patience to get it on. One thing for sure, it doesn't slip around.
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Gqucool, I understand your point re the LC9s. I owned one a few years ago that I sold when I was anticipating a very extended trip to Scotland where I cannot have it. That trip got scrubbed, so I started looking at an LC9s replacement, and learned that it's been "replaced" by the EC9s. I totally understand that some prefer the adjustable sights on the original, but for me, it's just not an issue. In fact, truth be told, I like the sights on my EC9s better. This is not a target pistol for me; strictly SD up-close-and-personal. I tend to be a point-and-shoot kind of guy when I train, so don't really need extremely accurate adjustable sights. These seem more durable.

The other factor for me is $, meaning I have none. I had to save pennies for three months to get this EC9s, so I'll stick with it.

Strutter and Shane, thanks for the input on installation. I understand. Since my "brute force" may not be up to the task, I think I'll try the boiling water trick -- put it in for several minutes, get those carbon compounds good and hot, loosen up their little elastic bonds, then try. I hope to not use Windex -- just sounds yucky -- so may try rubbing alcohol first; I read several reviews that said it worked well as a lubricant and dries quickly.

I'm also going to try the little trick using plastic shoehorns made from the packaging. That sounds innovative. I'll just take my time and if takes several tries over several days, so be it.
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I just took mine out to the range the other day along with my 4 other firearms. The ec9s is my CCW. I'll give ya my experience with it the best I can. I wasnt a fan of the fixed sights and at first I thought mine were off...but lately I've been peppering paper targets from 25 yards (which is ideal for my purpose for it) so I think it is just more of a recoil thing. The small, very light frame does have to absorb a lot of energy when that pin hits the primer. I actually feel more in control firing 357 magnum rounds out of my GP100, and 38 special feels like 22LR out of it. So it does require practice. If you do decide to go for it, I would also spend the extra loot if u can scrounge it up on the extended magazine, especially if you have bigger hands. Its mind of pricey for a mag, but I'm sure you can find a sale or a used one...they hold 9 instead of just the 7 (+1 of course) and also give you a better grip. I always try to be extra leary of having a proper grip too as I've gotten bitten by the slide once or twice. As far as ammo, I can cycle almost anything through it. I've ran Tulammo with their steel casings, Fiocci, Brass Blazer, Federal, and countless other brands of ammo and different grains. I will say I did have one mechanical failure this last time, cant remember if it was failure to eject or to cycle...I believe a round ended up stovepiped in the chamber. But this is a very rare thing to happen and I was also running different kinds of ammo in the same mag as I had a bag of mismatched ammo that needed used up. With the regular mag, it fits in the pocket of a jacket sleeve or loose pants easily, though I would reccomend a holster, just saying it is compact enough to conceal in larger pockets. It is very simple to field strip, clean, and maintain. It has a decent trigger and it does have several safety features which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the owners preferences. It has a safety if the magazine is released and there is a round in the chamber, a safety on the slide, and a trigger safety for I guess if it were dropped on the ground while loaded. Overall, for the price you pay for a dependable brand, I would give it an 8 out of 10 as CCW. It definitely requires a little practice if you are a newer shooter because of the small, lightweight frame. It has fixed sights but once you take that bad girl, she will smack your target from 25 yards easy. I've only had 2 mechanical cycling/feed failures in a few thousand rounds, many of which were cheap ammo. It's a 9mm so it packs a punch and give you plenty of ammo options like +P and whatnot. It conceals nicely and if you get the extended mag it helps for practicing at first or home defense, but takes up a noticable amount more room when CC. Also it's worth noting Ruger has great customer service I hear if there would be anything off with it. But if you have at least some experience shooting and dont mind some decent recoil for a smaller gun, I'd totally reccomend it if that's what your budget allows for. I dont think there are more than 1 or 2 changes from the lc9s. Some of the negatives and gripes you hear online are from gun-snobs or nitpickers. For the price you cant go wrong. I would just reccomend consistent practice/training with it and eventually get one of those 9 round mags if ya can. I have two 7's and a 9 rounder. It will definitely serve the basic purposes of self defense and/or CCW. Just my 2 cents tho, experiences vary from person to person but hope this helps.
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' I would also spend the extra loot if u can scrounge it up on the extended magazine, especially if you have bigger hands. Its mind of pricey for a mag, but I'm sure you can find a sale or a used one...they hold 9 instead of just the 7 (+1 of course) and also give you a better grip'

I didn't go that route, but did get some extensions for my 7 round mags from Impactguns.com giving me an extra round and a better grip. Cost 10 bucks. I use these for my backup mags.



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' I didn't go that route, but did get some extensions for my 7 round mags from Impactguns.com giving me an extra round and a better grip. Cost 10 bucks.
Oh dang, I didnt even know about those mags. Pretty nifty. Just one more thing adding to its diversity. I can honestly say I feel secure and confident in my ec9s...I keep a 7 round mag loaded with Federal HST (mainly because they say the nickel plated casings are more corrosion resistant and are a tiny bit slicker which helps with cycling) for CC. The combination works well enough for me and it will probably serve as my CC for at least a few more years. I might pick me up one of those mags you posted though if they are only 10 bucks.
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I picked up a Ruger 9 rnd mag of ebay. Paid around $30 or so. The grip extension pattern matches the grip and IMO looks better than the 2 rnd extension. I find the factory 7 rnd mag with pinky extension works best for my hand and concealed carry.
Nice thing is it works in both the EC9s and my LC9s.



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Nine rnd mag noted. Thanks.

For now, I've got 7 Inceptor ARX 9's in my mag.

I feel safe up here at 10:31 pm, so far N of covid-19.
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Old March 13th, 2020, 07:39 PM   #99
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I picked up a Ruger 9 rnd mag of ebay. Paid around $30 or so.
I just picked up 3 more of the 9 round mags from a gentleman who was listing them over on rugerpistolforums. $50 including shipping, so works out to $16.66 each.
They're used, but flawless, so now if / when I can ever get back to the range, I will have 5 x 9 Rnd Mags, and 3 x 8 Rnd Mags (MagGuts +1)



P.S. Just ordered some of these crazy things: Underwood 9mm 65 Grain Xtreme Defender (The reviews are great)

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I can see the value and desirability of those 9-rnd mags for those of you who spend a lot of time at the range. I will spend as much time as I can at "the range" (sometimes for me, that's just over in the swamp on a makeshift range that I can get to by walking). But for now, my range time's going to be limited. And I definitely don't want to carry with a 9-rnd mag. I like the compactness of the 7 rnd.

But I'm glad all the info about the 9-rnd is being posted here; I'm sure some readers will benefit.
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Got my Hogue grip sleeve and got it on

It arrived this afternoon from Amazon via UPS. I checked my orders status on Amazon mid afternoon. "Delivered." But the package wasn't at my apartment door. Turns out the UPS driver -- who usually brings packages to our doors -- left them at the mail boxes downstairs. Social distancing.

So, we live in the age of Covid-19. Normal life in the US is grinding quickly to a halt. Biggest one-day loss on the stock market in US history. But here's some distracting good news.

It took me 5 or 6 tries over 1.5 hours, but I got it on and didn't even invent new profanity (but used a few well-known words ).

What worked for me?
  • I quickly gave up on the idea of using the little plastic shoehorns. Just didn't work at all. Too sharp, too stiff.
  • I soaked them in boiling water for at least 5 minutes each time. When they came out of the water with tongs, there's not much time. Work fast.
  • I had no Windex, but used rubbing alcohol. That really helped. Once I got them partially on, I added alcohol (which evaporates quickly) to the inside of the sleeve, which then -- I think -- crept into the space between the sleeve and the grip, lubricating the installation. I could sense progress after adding alcohol.
  • Most important: I put them on sort of "backwards" from what the directions specified. Directions say put the back of the sleeve onto the back of the grips first. Tried four times at least, but couldn't stretch the front of the sleeve over the front of the grips. But the back of the sleeve has that beavertail that fits up high under the back of the slide. So I thought, let me try it backwards. I got the front of the sleeve on first, then the back was easier to slip on to the grip because of that flare at the top.
  • Next task: I had to get that finger bump (that fits between middle and ring fingers) up onto the grip, well onto it. Kept adding alcohol (from a bowl). Finally, once the sleeve was "on", and not in danger of slipping off -- probably my fifth try -- I put on my leather gloves and kept pushing ... up, up, up, up ... little by little, almost a micron (1/1000th mm) at a time. Fought me right to the last.
But it's on. I think I like it. Going to give it a few days. Hope to shoot it soon.

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But it's on. I think I like it.
Hours later after handling it, yeah, I like it.
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...But it's on. I think I like it. Going to give it a few days. Hope to shoot it soon.
Now that it's on, does the 'finger bump' force your fingers apart? One of my worries is that it will splay my fingers (not very big hands) and needlessly alter my grip. Do you find that the pinky extension provides less purchase, now the bump pushes your fingers apart? I don't want to go through the hassle of putting it on, only to decide to take it off. And on a really petty level, I plan to Cerakote the frame, and would need to take it off again, plus I would want a colored grip now, but the black one after the Cerakote. All good reasons to leave it alone.

So have you been watching the gun stores and online? I purchased a couple boxes of 9mm and .380 (cheap FMJ to play with at the range (No Steel Cased!) as well as 2 boxes (9mm/.380) of the Xtreme Defender for my EDC) on Friday. All the online stores had a ton of choices, and I was able to shop around and find the best prices (for what I wanted, I ended up going through MidwayUSA). Today I went online, and almost every store had 'sorry, nothing available in this category" for 9mm. The few that had something were either over priced or the high end stuff. What happened over the weekend that made everyone go nuts. Not ignoring Covid-19, but why this weekend?

On the topic of Ammo, your Inceptor ARX, and the Xtreme Defender I ordered, are very similar in statistics: Both 65 Grain, and within 25 lbs and 50 fps of each other. So I will be curious to hear how low recoil they are. The idea of a carry round in a subcompact that makes it more controllable is exciting.


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Gladius, the finger bump doesn't separate my fingers at all. Once I grip the pistol firmly, I can feel the bump, but my fingers are still touching. The top of the bump tapers to a very narrow point, and just fits into the crease between my fingers. It feels more like a reference point, and keeps my middle finger up against the trigger guard.

As for pinky, because the bump doesn't push my fingers apart, the sleeve does not reduce my pinky grip, but it does change it a tiny bit until I squeeze the grip tightly. My pinky still rests on the extension. (I use the extension plate on the 7-rnd mag, not the flat plate.) Because of the slight thickness of the sleeve, my middle and ring fingers initially have a tighter fit, but when I squeeze, as in ready to shoot, the pinky provides sufficient grip ... as much as a pinky can.

I hadn't seen that Xtreme Defender ammo before. It's interesting. I may have to try some eventually. But it is considerably more expensive than the Inceptor rnds. When they are available from Midway, the ARX is less than $12/box of 20 plus shipping. If it works well in this pistol -- Hornet, I call it -- I'll probably stock up once it becomes available again. I like the rounder nose on it (the XD rnds have that slightly flattened top) so should feed easily. I'll be interested to read your thoughts about it's behavior.

I had not looked at ammo for a while until a few minutes ago when I read your post. You're right: Midway is pretty low on 9mm ammo. No Inceptor, but they do have a few others ... some Hornady for example. So I won't count it a crisis yet. Depends on how this virus thing shakes out in coming months and years.

I think something shifted over the weekend in the public psyche about Covid, especially given the beating the stock market is taking. The arguments that it's overblown, that it's really no different than the regular flu -- I'm seeing a couple of threads on this forum where some have been arguing that -- are beginning to crumble in light of what's actually happening, especially in places like Italy and Spain. Things have gotten pretty bad there, and those are relatively modernized countries with relatively good health care systems. I shudder to think what will happen when it really takes off in Africa, South America and other lesser developed places. And now with the president himself on board as of yesterday -- he who denied the danger until then -- I suspect there'll likely be a run on ammo for a while like for toilet paper.
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I just changed my avatar from a stock Ruger photo of an EC9s to mine with the new grip sleeve. I haven't found a photo hosting service that I like yet, so cannot post other photos yet. Perhaps once my shoulder holster arrives.
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