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Old March 27th, 2011, 01:17 PM   #1
 
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When most cops I know think of Ruger they think of the "old school" Mini-14 or hunting guns. From there the conversation goes down hill and Ruger semi-autos get very little respect. When I worked for the Bureau of Prisons we had P89DAO's and they were not well liked, although I never had an issue with them other than the 12# trigger. And I knew of a few very small departments where officers purchased their own guns (P89, P94, P90, etc.) but that was 20 years ago. In more recent months I have seen the LCP & LCR showing up as BUGS and I expect the LC9 to be popular as well. Seems Ruger is on the right track with the SR series but I still haven't even heard of a law enforcement agency even testing them. I think Ruger's LE division needs to spend some time training in Smyrna, GA or Springfield, MA. But maybe I am wrong. Anyone know of an agency who issues the SR9/SR40?



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i have not seen or heard of any large agencies considering the Sr series.

It would seem Ruger marketing might be to blame.......they could market the da revolvers but not the "p" series to law enforcment.....along with ruger being slow to respond to changes in the leo market. If you do not build what the leo market wants, then it is a hard sell for your good product.

Ruger stayed with large metal frame da/sa designs and never really offered any companion compacts as the "p" series in about any model was considered large.

Ruger responded eventually with polymer (p95) but not a polymer 40..which was and is the hottest caliber in leo circles.....so ruger missed the boat for a lot of years only offering the p944.

Ruger was slow in getting a pistol on the market with an accessory rail.....that they corrected eventually with the new model p95...and again failed to deliver a railed 40 in the "p" series.

The ruger magazine disconnect and its basic design of damageing the pistol if dry-fired without a mag in place will raise some eyebrows.....and i have never heard of a p345 or an Sr being maketed without it from the factory.

Ruger is finally building The SR series that might be in demand by agencies (still question that magazine disconnect design). Polymer striker pistols are all the rage and ruger finally has a plastic gun with rails and is striker fired and not bulky......and are offering in the primary calibers of 9 and 40 (need a SR 45). And they finally have true compacts at least in the sr9c. (would like to see a 40c).

But they are late to the party and stumbled right out the gate with recalls on the SR9. The already established designs by the competition did not suffer such. Ruger responded well, but still......new designs will have teething problems.

Glock, Smith, and Sig agressively go after leo markets. They also promote their lines with agressive shooting teams at matches..........never have seen a "team ruger" logo...........its good advertising and agencies and the public pay attention to such.

Now after all that said, i still would trust my life with a ruger p90 any day of the week...carried one for quite a few years and i trust that design.

My 9mm is a p89.........i trust it as well....



Ruger has in my opinion in the past depended more on the price point to sell their pistols..........that is their biggest mistake. The line is of excellent quality and they need to demonstrate it thru agressive marketing......

The LCR, LCP and apparently the SR9C are huge sucess stories as they have targeted the civilian market.....so ruger can market when they want to............at this point however, i just really don;t know if they actually want to compete in LEO circles......they have failed to capture any significant market share in police auto loaders since....well.......1985?

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I don't think the magazine disconnect will be as big of an issue as the safety lever. Most PD's train to the lowest common denominator and anything short of point and shoot seems to raise red flags. I know Smith & Wesson sells a huge amount of M&P's with no lever, but far fewer with. I think they could make a go of it with the SR series if they made a model with no safety lever and night sights. But like you said, only of the LE marketing division gets serious about it.
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I would think that it would be very difficult to break the choke hold that Beretta, Glock, and S&W have on the LEO market. I'm surprised that Bill Ruger tried to get in on a defense contract with the P85; it's just not Ruger's style with automatics. Security Six's are a thing of beauty though .
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I'm not certain that an aggressive push to the government/LEO agencies has ever been (and may never be) a big part of Ruger's "common man" marketing plan. For 60+ years Ruger has done quite well with it's "common man" core business and without all of the aggravation (bidding process, reduced profit margins, dealing with bureaucratic idiots, etc.) that automatically comes with pursuing and catering to the government/LEO market.

With that said, I thought the following article about the Ruger Gunsite Scout rifle on policeone.com was interesting. Firearms Review: Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle
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Ruger has a LE division and I know in recent months they have hired some former LEO's to bolster it. One being a former co-worker of my Fathers. The Mini 14 used to be marketed to agencies quite a bit and I suspect that they intend to do so with their AR15 and the Gunsite Scout you mentioned. My department has even been looking at the Scout. LE sales do have the potential of being a PITA, but at the same time selling 1,000 guns in a single order does wonders for profit margins.

When S&W owned the LEO market no one though any one else could break in, but then Beretta started eating away at their market share. Glock came along and gobbled up both of their market shares. All along Sig and HK just took what was left. Now S&W has returned and is making a serious dent in Glock's business. My point is a lot of department's are always on the lookout for the next best thing, while other just want to keep the bottom line as low as possible. Ruger could definitely find a niche if they wanted to.
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the thing is that getting a huge domestic contract that gets publicized does wonders for free advertisment and potential future sales.

Beretta, Glock, Sig, and Smith realize that winning a large highly publicized contract means free advertisment to the public and to other agencies.


Individual officers purchasing rugers does not make news headlines and rarely into magazine articles. It seems to only garner minimal atttention in passing on topics such as this one.

When the FBI, BATF, NY, or some large State patrol or large city adopts a Glock, we see it in news print, internet, and in the gun rags as glock advertisment or in articles.

Ruger..............i believe you are right. They seem content with their portion of the market for the common man............ain't nothing wrong i guess with that as the common man is also the individual officers out there that purchase their own to carry...........but even the common man will glance around to see what the others are carrying and will influence their buying. It ain't right...but it is the reality.
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I was talking to a local police the other day and he was carring a P95. Ask how he liked it and said no problem, went through the academy with and never had a problem. Pops
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I actually ran into an ATM attendant (don't know what else to call them) the other day who was carrying a P89. I asked him about it and he said he usually carries a Glock but decided to bring the Ruger with him that day. We talked Security Sixes for a bit (since I had traded my P89 for a Security Six) and then he left. Interesting meeting.
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