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Old October 13th, 2019, 06:11 PM   #16
 
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The obvious answer is buy ALL of them.

My favorite double action 44 Magnum revolver is my S&W 629 but it's a 6 incher and I think you want something more compact. That being said perhaps the Super Redhawk Alaskan is worth your consideration. I'm pretty sure they named it the Alaskan for a reason...

I bought mine prior to a trip to Wyoming and Montana for bear defense and it's turned out to be a favorite in its own right. It took some tweaking to get it right but it's a handy package that often goes along still when camping here (even though we don't have the big bears down this way.)

Here's mine.
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That's a sweet looker. My first thought on the Alaskan is 'Muzzle flip'?. I haven't had a chance to try one, but that's why I was thinking of a four inch +/- bbl. What's your experience?




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Old October 13th, 2019, 06:35 PM   #17
 
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I have the 2.75" 44 Magnum Redhawk Kodiak Backpacker. Its a great revolver. Its heavy, easy to shoot, accurate, and will certainly get the job done.
That's what I was thinking. That's what my friend carries so I was able to handle, if not shoot, one. The standard 4.2 incher looks good as well.

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I would not carry it for bear defense. I would carry my Glock 20. Its a full frame 10mm that carries 15+1. I would load it with Underwood 220 grain hard cast. It runs 1200 feet per second, and has 700+ pounds of energy at the muzzle. Install Tritium night sights, and carry an extra magazine
I'd rather be eaten than carry a Glock

Just kidding. I've never handled one. A 10 mm is definitely a consideration but, that's a different question.
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This... G20. Same here

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I own a Ruger Redhawk 6Ē stainless in 44mag. Iíve carried it in Alaska but never needed it. On occasion Iíll put Buffalo Bore through when I feel the need for pain. But it is a great, accurate, and reassuring firearm.
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Sticking with the 44 cal double action theme. I have a 5 shot GP100 in 44 special. Love the revolver. But it is a 44 special. If you look at the forcing cone on the GP100 it is considerably thinner than any of the 44 mags. I don't believe it will absorb a bunch of "close to 44 mag" loading's without cracking the forcing cone.

That being said I feel the Super Redhawk Alaskan is the way to go.
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I have the 2.75" 44 Magnum Redhawk Kodiak Backpacker. Its a great revolver. Its heavy, easy to shoot, accurate, and will certainly get the job done.

I would not carry it for bear defense. I would carry my Glock 20. Its a full frame 10mm that carries 15+1. I would load it with Underwood 220 grain hard cast. It runs 1200 feet per second, and has 700+ pounds of energy at the muzzle. Install Tritium night sights, and carry an extra magazine
Eaten while racking a slide.

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JMO and I realize I tend to tick people off.

What is the attraction with snubby big-bore revolvers???
They're hard to hold on to, hard to recover and hard to hit anything with. With short sight radius (if you use the sights at all) you can do a cylinder dump and not hit a damn thing. Then you're screwed...
Most of them have "flinch" built right in.
And how much power does a 44Mag have when fired from such a short barrel?

Gun companies don't sell what makes sense, they sell what they think shooters will buy. Does a snubby 454 Casull or 460 S&W make sense???

Is the convenience of a small gun worth carrying what may not save your life?

I'm getting a Glock 40. Nylon chest rig or shoulder holster that's out of the way. Underwood 220g Hard Cast probably has more energy (6") than the 44M from the short barrel. It holds 16 of them, and the pistol is controllable and accurate enough you can relax and aim your shots. For proof, check youtube.

Edit: and another idea, I'd bet that the 220g 10mm penetrates farther than any 44 from a short revolver, and with bear penetration is the name of the game.
Finally, the Glock only costs about $700; it's less than most quality revolvers.

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I have 2 relatives that live and work outdoors in Alaska. Neither will leave the house without their Alaskan's in 454 either in hand, or in their Diamond D chest rig. Not even a trip to the mailbox (200 yards) or even to warm up the truck. I am fairly certain that both have far more experience than myself or most of the other "armchair quarterbacks" chiming in here.

With this in mind, I have the Redhawk Backpacker. I shoot often and with some pretty stout hand-loads, and include some 340gr BB now and again (can you say EXPENSIVE). I'll get by with my 44 mostly because I only get the privilege of fishing Alaska every 2-4 years. Now if I were to be living there and spending much time outdoors, I would step up to the Alaskan in 454. If you take some time and read up on the ballistics, it really does have far superior fire power.

Another thing for the armchair quarterbacks is to do some studying up on is the fact that Montana and Wyoming now have a pretty fair numbers of folks being chewed up by grizzly bears.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/animal-...ntana-n1055721

https://www.bozemandailychronicle.co...17e5a5313.html

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/09/gri...-in-eight-days

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Randy brings up some good points. My SB with 10.5" bull barrel gives the 240s 1600 fps. Sure you might not want to carry something that long and heavy, but you lose a lot of fps with the snubnose barrels. Also, IHMSA silhouette shooters with full power loads found out by 1980 that the S&W 29 would not hold up, but the Super Blackhawk and Dan Wesson would last forever. I expect the Redhawk would also last for you. I think you will find that for a given barrel length, the Redhawk is heavier than the Super. Practice, practice is the secret, not spray and pray shooting to prepare for that bear.
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I think you will find that for a given barrel length, the Redhawk is heavier than the Super. Practice, practice is the secret, not spray and pray shooting to prepare for that bear.
The Redhawk Kodak Backpacker has a 2.75" barrel and weighs in at 44 oz empty. The Super Redhawk Alaskan has a 2.5" barrel and weighs in at 45 oz. empty. The Alaskan has a shorter barrel (only by .250) but weighs an ounce more so by Ruger's specs it's the heavier gun.

As with any gun the point made regarding practice is the key. I've run up to 150 rounds of standard load 44 Mag through my Alaskan in a single range session and find it quite manageable and actually enjoyable. It's not a target gun but with the Big Dot front sight and V notch rear it's quick to get on target at close range. Accurate enough for "minute of bear" but odds are I'll never have to put it to the test. For which I am thankful.
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I think you will find that for a given barrel length, the Redhawk is heavier than the Super. Practice, practice is the secret, not spray and pray shooting to prepare for that bear.
The Redhawk Kodak Backpacker has a 2.75" barrel and weighs in at 44 oz empty. The Super Redhawk Alaskan has a 2.5" barrel and weighs in at 45 oz. empty. The Alaskan has a shorter barrel (only by .250) but weighs an ounce more so by Ruger's specs it's the heavier gun.

As with any gun the point made regarding practice is the key. I've run up to 150 rounds of standard load 44 Mag through my Alaskan in a single range session and find it quite manageable and actually enjoyable. It's not a target gun but with the Big Dot front sight and V notch rear it's quick to get on target at close range. Accurate enough for "minute of bear" but odds are I'll never have to put it to the test. For which I am thankful.
I also agree Practice Practice Practice. When I first got my SRH 44mag in a 9.5in barrel. I said WHY in the world did you do that and when I went to the farm and fired the first shot Wow what a Wheel Gun. It's the most comfortable wheel gun I ever shot in fact the recoil was so unbelievable light I thought I was shooting my 9mm it has a 2◊6 scope with the pacmyer grips it was like driving a cadillac.( My gp100 357mag 6in with wooden hogue grips hurts me the most) I practice with it a lot and I'm really getting good with wielding this beast and getting use to the scope was a little bit of a task. I even took it off the gun for awhile and I think I was shooting it better with plain open sights than with the scope on. I thought the recoil would be a little trouble but there again I was wrong. So I put the scope back on and got it zeroed back in for hunting and I'm thinking I shoot better with the open sights. Sorry if I got off track but it's a great wheel gun for me and I'm really glad I bought it.
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As far as 44 Magnums go a Taurus 4" is not a bad choice, but like others here I think I would buy a Alaskan in 454, if that 454 ammo proves too tough, you can down load to the 45 Long Colt cartridge of your choice,

Finally I own five different TEN's, a too heavy but great EAA Witness Elite, G-20 and G-29 and both Springfield XDM10's a 5.25 and 4.5. I think I would carry the 5.25. Easier to grip, longer barrel by 3/4" for the extra oomph. I can do a controllable mag dump, but I believe I would still prefer the 454 for bear.
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If I were going to spend any time in big bear country, I would definitely pack along my 5" Redhawk loaded with Hornady 240gr. Silhouette bullets sitting on top of 24.0 gr. of WW296. Then again, it would be the perfect opportunity to justify that Glock 10mm I've been wanting! Decisions, decisions!
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I will not armchair this one, but for me it comes down to what I feel comfortable carrying. If a chamber is not loaded, it is useless. That is why I carry a revolver, not a striker-fired semi. I do not trust them cocked and locked, even though I know them to be “safe” for most everyone who totes them.

If 10mm suffices in a Glock, why not carry the longest-barrel revolver you can, comfortably, chambered in it? I carry a GP100 all day when hunting or farming, on my hip. The MC comes in a 10. If that is good enough for grizzly bear, something those with more experience than me can decide, then that and a shotgun would be on my Alaska hiking trips.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/bear-def...vs-10mm-autos/

So my answer is, “Heck if I know!” Whatever the OP gets, shoot it a lot. You only get one round off before a bear is on you.

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