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Old December 1st, 2017, 06:57 PM   #1
 
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Sleeve and shroud barrels

I noticed a new Ruger ad today touting new Redhawks with “sleeve and shroud barrels.” Is there actually any advantage to making revolvers this way? I always thought it was a cost saving thing that was designed to annoy purists like me.



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There's an advantage to the company.
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There are clearly some advantages in manufacture, but some of those also have spill over benefits for the customer.

1. You can hammer forge the barrel, and a hammer forged barrel is less expensive to make, but also has a smoother and harder bore that will last longer and lead less.

2. The shroud is indexed to the frame so that the front sight is always properly clocked, while the barrel can then be readily fitted for proper cylinder gap.

3. Within a given barrel length, different options are just a matter of a different shroud - full or partial under lug, slab side, etc. That allows for faster assembly and less cost to the consumer for more barrel options.

4. Depending on the system used, the barrel can be tensioned by the shroud and that can significantly improve accuracy.

Purists don't like it, but the sleeved barrels in both 2 and 3 piece forms work well for both S&W and Ruger. They hold up well and from an engineering standpoint it also allows for the right steel to be used in the right areas, rather than forcing a single steel for a single piece barrel.

Any way you slice it, and regardless of how the purists feel about it, Ruger is marketing it as a feature not a bug. I doubt it will change the minds of the purists, or the over 40 crowd in general, but I think Ruger is probably playing the long game and looking at the younger crowd as future customers.
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Ditto to all of Model 52's comments.

The real savings come during the assembly process. Because the shroud is keyed to the frame and the shroud incorporates the front sight and under lug, the front sight ends up "clocked" perfectly every time.

Once the barrel liner & shroud are assembled to the frame, it's a simple operation to cut the rear face of the barrel (if needed) and set the barrel to cylinder gap.

The barrel liner is held in tension (A' la Dan Wesson) and can prove to be capable of excellent accuracy.

Within a given barrel length, the manufacturer can supply different variations of the shroud; 1/2 lug, full lug, sighting rib, target sight, etc. Variants can be assembled by simply picking the shroud with the desired features.

The process should eliminate "thread choke" that comes from the crush fit of barrels to frames with the one piece barrel.

I agree that the purists will find two and three piece barrels to be unacceptable but the reduction of production costs is going to prevail.

In short, I concur with Model 52's assessment.
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Thank you both for the explanation.

Still like my old S&W pinned barrels though.
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I like the old one piece barrels as well but:

1. The writing is on the wall and two piece barrels will likely become the norm. The bean counters are going to win this one.

2. The two (or three) piece barrels are capable of fine accuracy.
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The S&W I have with this barrel system are the best shooting revolvers I have ever had. From that standpoint I am sold on the concept. I am more into results than pure looks. YMMV.
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Done right a two piece tensioned barrel can outperform a traditional barrel. Done wrong it will always be less accurate than the traditional method.
I have owned three LCRs but i don’t own any right now. Why? Accuracy. My 442 and charter undercover each shot circles around every LCR i owned. I even sent one LCR to the factory to have it accurized and it came back better but still not as good as my Charter or 442. Even though the trigger on the LCR is awesome, i feel that the two piece barrel on the LCR compromises its accuracy.
On the flip side, my Dan Wesson 715 with a tensioned barrel is easily the most accurate handgun i own.
So . . . This two piece barrel thing for the Redhawk could be good or it could be bad. Rugers full size guns have always been remarkably accurate straight from the factory from me. Let’s hope it stays that way. But given the quality controls issues they have been having lately I’m not super confident.



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2. The shroud is indexed to the frame so that the front sight is always properly clocked, while the barrel can then be readily fitted for proper cylinder gap.
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The real savings come during the assembly process. Because the shroud is keyed to the frame and the shroud incorporates the front sight and under lug, the front sight ends up "clocked" perfectly every time.
Just thought I'd point out that canted barrel (shrouds) remain a thing for S&W to this day.
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Just thought I'd point out that canted barrel (shrouds) remain a thing for S&W to this day.
I agree, just look at the S&W forum and see the complaints along with pictures. Customer service can’t seem to fix these.
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You don't need highly skilled labor to install a barrel and you can still get the barrel canted .
I'm not sure who benefits from it all ... the worker , the company or the customer .
But it looks like the way to do it now days .
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