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Old February 13th, 2013, 07:39 AM   #1
 
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Greetings Readers & Members!

This is my first post here and I appreciate very much the opportunity of being here. A long time lurker and reader here and thought it would be very helpful for me to join this fine forum and expand my knowledge on Ruger firearms. I collect PD service revolvers and know that in the recent past some NYPD Police Service-Six .38's have made it to the buying public. The NYPD Police Service-Six (PSS) sixguns I've seen are the stainless steel double-action only models in the 162-serial number range. These particular NYPD Rugers are known as the Model GF-84NYCPD PSS and are on the internet at Gunbroker and Auction Arms from time to time. It has been my understanding that the NYPD approved the .38 PSS for duty sometimes in the mid-70's. The first NYPD-approved PSS Models were double and single action, blue steel only, and in four-inch barrel length. Also the grips were the standard walnut Ruger Service Grip Panels with the silver Ruger Logo at the top of both left and right panels. Does any member here know what the Model Number was for that particular NYPD PSS that was before the 1988 stainless steel PSS was authorized for duty with NYPD? I have a photo, off the internet, of an NYPD cop standing in Times Square (in uniform) with a Ruger Police Service-Six butt-end protruding out of his duty Jaypee Holster. The PSS in photo appears blue steel and would be in double and single action with a spur on the hammer. Photo taken in 2004 when a few NYPD cops were still carrying .38 Special sixguns and there "still" may be a handful left packing a "real cops gun", the .38 Special PSS or S&W Model 10!

Thanks so much for allowing me here!

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dabney, Welcome to the Ruger Forum!!! Ruger made 78 different cataloged variations of the Security-Six plus more that were special order. This included the Speed-Six, Service-Six, and Police Service-Six (same as a Service-Six). There were no dedicated serial number prefixes for these ... all were lumped into the same group.

Here's the key for Ruger catalog numbers for the Security-Six family:

RDA = Blue Security-Six w/adjustable sights and square butt.
GA = Stainless Security-Six w/adjustable sights and square butt.
SDA = Blue Service-Six
GF = Stainless Service-Six
SS = Blue Speed-Six
GS = Stainless Speed-Six

So the catalog number for yours would start with SDA

Next is a combination of the caliber and barrel length. The fist digit is caliber, second is barrel length.
1st digit:
3 = 357 Mag
38 = 380 Rim
8 = 38 Special
9 = 9mm
2nd digit:
2 = 2 3/4" barrel
3 = 3" barrel
4 = 4" barrel
5 = 5" barrel
6 = 6" barrel

So a 38 Special PSS with a 4" barrel would be SDA-84

There were square butt and round butt PSS. No designation for square butt. RB = Round Butt

Further, there were 3 different barrels. No designation for a standard barrel. H = Heavy barrel, MB = Machined heavy barrel.

There were some more designations too ... B = Blued stainless, L = Lanyard loop, T = Target grip, P = Pachmayer grip, PS = Postal Service, and NYPD = New York PD

At a minimum, it would be SDA-84 if it were a cataloged model. It could followed by a "RB", "H", "MB" "NYPD" etc.

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Many thanks for the warm welcome and an extra thanks to Iowegan for sharing the Ruger Data. Most informative and very much appreciated!

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Questions for any NYPD Officer with info on the NYPD Police Service-Six!

Sometimes in the mid-1970's the Ruger Police Service-Six .38 in blue steel and four-inch barrel length was "approved" for duty service with the NYPD. I can remember seeing pics of the blue steel NYPD PSS that were offered for sale at Vivas & Sons in New York City. In these photos of ex-cop Ruger PSS in .38 Special I noticed that the advertised Rugers were single and double-action, indicating a pre-1988 NYPD Police Service-Six. It is my understanding that in 1986 the NYPD approved stainless steel for the S&W Model 64 and the Ruger PSS. Also included, was the double-action-only trigger, for newbies coming into the NYPD. The old hands could retain their blue steel double and single action .38 wheelgun and as attrition marched on the blue steel/double & single action revolvers retired with their respective owners. From 86 on, stainless steel Ruger & Smith revolvers, in double-action-only, were the required duty revolver for rookies. I think that the 9mm Pistol came in around 1992 and attrition was again the order of the day, continuing up unto today.

My question for any retired NYPD Officer or "anyone" who knows is this;

What year did the Ruger Police Service-Six get approved for duty at the NYPD?

The Ruger Model Number for the stainless steel double-action-only PSS was this: GF-84NYCPD

What was the Ruger Model Number for the pre-86 blue steel single and double action PSS, approved in the 1970's?

Thanks in advance!

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The NYPD Ruger, the .38 Police Service-Six.

From what I have found out from this forum and other reliable sources, retired NYPD cops, is that in the mid-to-late 70's the .38 Police Service-Six, Speed-Six (4" bbl.,blue steel) became an "approved" NYPD Service Revolver. During that time period, a rookie cop could select, on gun-day, his/her six-shot service revolver of choice. During the mid-70's the new recruit could select between the Police Service-Six/Speed-Six and an S&W Model 10 (4"HB, blue steel) as their hardware to start out their new career with. The rookie paid out-of-pocket for the gun but it became their own. At the NYPD, a career is 20-years, with full retirement benefits, so the sixgun, well cared for would last that time easy! Especially, if the choice was the Ruger! As time went by the features on both Ruger six-shooters changed. Around 78/79 the heavy barrel was implemented on both Rugers and around 87/88 a double-action-only trigger was mandated by NYPD and stainless steel was approved. A veteran cop, with a double & single-action trigger, and revolver purchased before the mandate, could retain that same feature, just new troopers were affected.

Several years ago, December 2004, a Mr. Michael Wilson, reporter for the New York Times, wrote a wonderful piece on old NYPD cops still carrying the old .38 Revolver in the Big Apple. It is still posted on the internet at various sites. There were several photos that accompanied the article with one of the photos showing a cop, in the BDU NYPD uniform, standing in the middle of Times Square. On this cop's hip, in his Jaypee Duty Holster, sits a blue steel .38 Police Service-Six, dressed out in the old wood Ruger Factory Service Grips. The right grip panel clearly shows the silver Ruger Logo medallion. The photo makes a perfect match for the well-written article. I have often thought about that pictured NYPD cop and wondered about the story of his Ruger .38 and how it would be really great if one of these former/current NYPD Ruger .38 owners would come forth here with their personal Police Service-Six story! Thanks my friends!
David

P.S. Also heard that, back in the day, some NYPD Range Officers, at Rodmans Range, really put the heat on newbies to select the S&W 10 over the Ruger gun. Maybe someone can add to this or take away, whatever the case. Also the NYPD cop photo mentioned above clearly shows a well-worn battered six-gun, a cop's .38 Service Revolver, honest heavy duty cop-wear!
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Got a link to the photo?

I have a GPNY and its one of my favorite Rugers
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Here's the original article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/16/ny...tols.html?_r=0
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The New Jersey state police carried 6 inch security sixes for a few years in the 1970s.
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Very cool story. I love a good classic revolver on an officers hip.
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Nice story. That was from the Times????
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Cool story but I didn't see a pic of the cop with the Service Six
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Go back to Alpo's post click on the NY Times story and when the article pops up click on the pic for several good shots of NYPD .38 Revolvers, including the one I mentioned. I think you will like the picture.

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One of the best guns ever made in my opinion.
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I found the pic thanks

A classic Ruger wheelgun in some vintage leather, can't beat it!
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Got the Security Six directly from an NYPD Officer who left and went to work for Nassau Co PD. He said he chose it over the S&W 64 because he was a big guy and the Ruger was bigger. It had enormous Pachmyer Grippers on it went I bought it.

Also, an SPNY. Found it several years ago, brand new and dusty at Smitty's Sporting Goods in downtown Oak Cliff (Dallas) Texas.





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