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Old December 5th, 2019, 04:39 AM   #1
 
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Ruger suing S&W over 10/22 copy..........

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Old December 5th, 2019, 05:51 AM   #2
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I think anyone who takes a good look at the Thompson CR22 would agree that it is a clone of the venerable 10/22. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
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I hope Ruger wins big. Smith bought out Thompson Center then pulled out of NH. I have no problem with shutting down the production and making them pay Ruger's costs.
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The only feature the Thompson has that I wish the 10/22 had (and should have always had) would be the last round hold open.
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Ruger's base 10/22 design US patent has run out a LONG time ago.

I believe US patents are only good for a maximum of 20 years from the date of filing and cannot be extended past this amount.

Except for the takedown version patent, from what I know Ruger has no grounds on patent infringement on 10/22.

If a company does not innovate and improve, you get left behind.

I got no sympathy for ruger on this matter of design competition, they sat on their rear and didn't innovate more with the 10/22.

If they lose significant market share to a better made product by (X competitor), it's Ruger's fault.
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Why S&W though? There are at least 4-5 others making their own 10/22 clone, Volquartsen(sp), Magnum Research, Tactical Solutions to name a few.
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Isn't Bergara making a "clone" or almost, also? My complaints are the move to plastic trigger housings on various guns, including Remington, and the lack of a more durable steel receiver for the 10-22.
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Why S&W though? There are at least 4-5 others making their own 10/22 clone, Volquartsen(sp), Magnum Research, Tactical Solutions to name a few.
You sue the guy with the deepest pockets.

I wonder as has been posted previously, whether Ruger has any current patents on the design that have not run out.
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Owing to the long passage time since introduction, there can be no unexpired patents covering the 10/22 rifle, excepting possibly the more recently introduced takedown model. However, the suit is not based on patents, but rather on “trade dress” — that the look of the competitive rifle is confusingly similar to Ruger‘s rifle.
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damn man, the resemblance is astounding ...
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Owing to the long passage time since introduction, there can be no unexpired patents covering the 10/22 rifle, excepting possibly the more recently introduced takedown model. However, the suit is not based on patents, but rather on “trade dress” — that the look of the competitive rifle is confusingly similar to Ruger‘s rifle.
Unless they are blantly ripping off the logo of Ruger on the rifle, that legal arguement does not appear to hold water.

Otherwise every generic product maker that makes the exact product would be open to lawsuits.

It's a blatant and weak indirect attempt to enforce expired patent protection by saying S&W made it to appear like it came from ruger.

As someone said in previous comment, they sue the most powerful generic maker so that if they win, the smaller ones will be scared into stop making them.
It is a classic corporate legal tactic.
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I concur.
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You can bet that Colt's lawyers are paying close attention...
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You sue the guy with the deepest pockets.

Exactly.


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I believe RUGER has actually trademarked aspects of the rifle not just the logo this is different than patent infringement since you are saying these styling designs are part of the Ruger brand.

Example of this was Jeep suing Hummer in the aughts over the number of openings in it’s grill. Hummer eventually won because not just the number of cells/slots in the grill were considered but also the overall shape. The Hummer shape was nothing like the Jeep.
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