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Suppressor/silencer, the best way

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#1 ·
Internal or external? Give me the pros and cons. I was set to order a threaded barrel for my 10/22 so I could attach a screw-in silencer but than noticed the internal type. Which is the most effective? I think complete silenced rifles are also avalible. I don't mind paying the tax and waiting up to a year. What's the best way to get one?
 
#2 ·
I like external for the fact that it gives you flexibility to put it on other firearms. I do like the look of the integrally suppressed. With the right build, you can give the look of integrally suppressed with a screw in suppressor:



 
#3 ·
If the external would work for .22, .17 and 5.56 that would be a bonus although I'd need a threaded barrel for each (this is getting real expensive). What about effectiveness? Does one work better than the other?

This is the only experience I've had with silencers. I just put a TKO unit on my Crosman 2289. Out of the box it was too loud for in town shooting, silenced, it's whisper quite. If your inclined, build one of these, with the Leapers MilDot AO scope it's great fun and no one knows your shooting. You get the base gun at Walmart for $75!

 
#4 ·
I have compared my Ruger 22/45 and SilencerCo Sparrow, with an Integrally suppressed Ruger Mark III. They were identical in performance. The Integrally suppressed pistol had the advantage in the fact that it was shorter, and didnt look like a pistol with a suppressor screwed on the end. My setup has the advantage in the fact that it can be moved from host to host. I have 17 threaded pistols, and 2 threaded rifles. I use the rifles for varmint control, and the various pistols for enjoyment. I think a screw on suppressor has the advantage.
 
#5 ·
I don't think there's any way to get and apples-apples test. There's different quality of suppressors with different suppression levels. I'm sure that some integrally suppressed firearms are better than some cans and vice-versa.

All things being equal, I assume the can may have a slight advantage in reducing the report as it's likely being fired from a longer barrel?
 
#6 ·
I don't think there's any way to get an apples-apples test. There's different quality of suppressors with different suppression levels. I'm sure that some integrally suppressed firearms are better than some cans and vice-versa.
The way to get an apples-to-apples test, is to have both pistols in front of you, and shoot them with the same ammo, as I did. In my case, they performed exactly the same.

All things being equal, I assume the can may have a slight advantage in reducing the report as it's likely being fired from a longer barrel?
On a longer(rifle) barrel, you have to be careful not to break the sound barrier with High Velocity ammo. You will get a "sonic crack" when the ammo goes super sonic. Its easy to do with a longer barrel(rifle or pistol over 6"). Thats why many threaded pistols are 4" or shorter. Even High Velocity ammo wont go super sonic with a 4" barrel. You will be very disappointed in the performance of your suppressed firearm, if you break the sound barrier with the ammo you are shooting from it.

Another advantage the screw on suppressors have, is many come apart easily to be cleaned. This is very important for a suppressor that is going to be used with rimfire ammo. Unless the designs have recently changed, I dont know of any integrally suppressed barrels that can be easily taken apart and cleaned.
 
#8 ·
It depends on the design of the suppressor. The Sparrow is a mono core, and it doesnt alter the accuracy at all. It also doesnt change the Point of Impact, shooting with, or without the suppressor. Thats one of the great things about the Sparrow. I was very interested in that fact, when I was researching which suppressor to purchase.
 
#9 ·
If the design of both silencers is the same, there won't be any difference in sound suppression. What a permanently attached or integral silencer gives you as an advantage is the option of a short barrel and short overall length without paying for an NFA SBR tax stamp.

If you don't mind the appearance of a shroud, you could buy a Tactical Solutions SBX barrel. The SBX is 12" with a 4.5" shroud that extends the length of the barrel to 16.5". You insert your silencer inside the shroud, which gives you a short barrel and short overall length without an NFA SBR tax stamp.
 
#13 ·
Ok, I'm getting close. I'm leaning external now as it looks to be around $300 cheaper but more importantly I could use it on other rifles. I was looking at the Tactical Line threaded barrels. I was thinking of the standard weight so I could use my original stock. Is there any advantage to going with a Bull barrel? Other than looks does the bull barrel have any advantages? I think the bull might look a little better with the silencer but not sure. I'd like to get this right the first time.

The shop I'm going through said they have a trust I can use, is that a good option? Only have to pay the $200 tax once right? Thanks
 
#15 ·
On a .22 - bull barrel is mostly looks. Heat tolerance, accuracy differences, are going to be minimal. If you're shooting from a bipod, then I wouldn't worry about the extra weight of the barrel, but if not, the bull barrel might not be the best for shootability.

Trust - that's how I did mine. Just one trust ever, but $200 tax once per suppressor. I like the trust option.
 
#14 · (Edited)
I had a standard profile 10/22 barrel cut to 16", front sight remounted, recrowned and threaded for my suppressor. Jim Pixley did the work. This was one of the newest barrels, with the terrible lathe marks and globby matte finish. This barrel is incredibly accurate, shooting one ragged hole at 25 yards, and groups at 50 yards that can be covered by a dime. What Im getting at is, a standard profile barrel can be extremely accurate. I would have a standard barrel threaded, and save the weight over the bull barrels. I also would recommend Jim Pixley for the job.

 
#17 ·
I'm not sure what you mean by "use the shops" trust. Did I use an attorney that was recommended by a shop? Yes (after research), but it is my own trust.
 
#22 ·
Cascade Armory in Seattle is the dealer I'll probably get my silencer at. They have good reviews and have been talking me through the process. He said if I didn't have a trust no problem I could use there's. At least that's what I think he said :D. No big deal because I'll get my own anyway.

Also, I'm going with a can for a .223 as it will work well with the .22. I'm trying to see this project through while I'm working, selling a house and putting in a lawn so this my take some time.
 
#23 ·
Will suppressor affect accuracy.

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Speaking to whether or not a suppressor will affect the accuracy.

This is a 5 shot group I shot with my 10/22 at 25 yards. September 15, 2014 6:30 PM
It has a carbon fibre Volquartsen barrel
and a TG2000 CNC Machined Trigger Guard also from Volquartsen. The stock is a Hogue Over Molded Rifle Stock. It is equipped with a Gem-tech Trek suppressor. The ammo was Eley Subsonic hollow points. Shooting from a Caldwell Lead Sled.
September 15 6:30 PM. This a rifle I bought used about 10 years ago and I put it together last winter.
 
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