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Old March 25th, 2020, 03:45 PM   #121
 
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It was bad, and it's back again. Ammo hoarders are the worst, the price of .22 never came back to pre Obozo levels.... I hope this time it's short lived.
Have you read the whole thread? There are no ammo hoarders, and if you keep insulting those who happen to have stocked up over time, there is zero chance they will share with you. :-)

It is YOUR responsibility to keep enough on hand to cover periods of short supply.



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Old March 25th, 2020, 05:09 PM   #122
 
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I've been buying ammo for years. I practice at the range weekly. What's happened in the past month was not happening last year at this time let alone 3-4 years ago.

These shortages are not being caused by people who want to practice. There were always people at the range.

These shortages were not anticipated. Until very recently, Palmetto State Armory was selling a box of 1000 rounds of 9mm for $179.99 free shipping. I know because I bought a box back in December.

Then the price went to $189.99 then to $199,00, and now it's at $309.99 without the free shipping.

I'm sure there are similar stories from other sources of ammo.

This is not being caused by an earthquake, a flood, a hurricane or some other event that disrupts the transportation of goods. This is being caused either by people who are taking advantage of the virus scare or by manufacturers who for whatever reason are creating a shortage by producing less.

I favor the former theory. I recall way back during the .22 LR shortage going to Walmart twice a week to see if they got a supply of .22 LR. One time I saw a local gun store owner at Walmart buying up a lot of 22LR. I told him I knew what he was doing and that I'd never drop by his shop again. I also told other gun owners in my circle about it. Fortunately, this LGS is out of business today. I wish I could say it was because of me, but I'm not that influential. Still, I say, good riddance.

If you run into someone who's hoarding, out him. If a hoarder thinks it's OK, it's just good, patriotic capitalism in action, fine. Then he should be proud to have his community know about it.

I don't think it's a good thing. To those who've said, "well, you should have prepared better"; yes, if I'd had a crystal ball, I could have bought more ammo, but that wouldn't have prevented shortages. It would have just made the shortages a little worse for everyone else.

To say that those who are unhappy with the sudden ammo shortage should always have a huge supply on hand is like saying everyone should keep a minimum 6 month supply of toilet paper, paper towels, hand sanitizer, pasta, rice, chicken, milk etc. on hand. Maybe we should all do that. I don't because I don't have enough space in my house. We live in the USA, not some third world backwater.
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I've been buying ammo for years. I practice at the range weekly. What's happened in the past month was not happening last year at this time let alone 3-4 years ago.

These shortages are not being caused by people who want to practice. There were always people at the range.

These shortages were not anticipated. Until very recently, Palmetto State Armory was selling a box of 1000 rounds of 9mm for $179.99 free shipping. I know because I bought a box back in December.

Then the price went to $189.99 then to $199,00, and now it's at $309.99 without the free shipping.

I'm sure there are similar stories from other sources of ammo.

This is not being caused by an earthquake, a flood, a hurricane or some other event that disrupts the transportation of goods. This is being caused either by people who are taking advantage of the virus scare or by manufacturers who for whatever reason are creating a shortage by producing less.

I favor the former theory. I recall way back during the .22 LR shortage going to Walmart twice a week to see if they got a supply of .22 LR. One time I saw a local gun store owner at Walmart buying up a lot of 22LR. I told him I knew what he was doing and that I'd never drop by his shop again. I also told other gun owners in my circle about it. Fortunately, this LGS is out of business today. I wish I could say it was because of me, but I'm not that influential. Still, I say, good riddance.

If you run into someone who's hoarding, out him. If a hoarder thinks it's OK, it's just good, patriotic capitalism in action, fine. Then he should be proud to have his community know about it.

I don't think it's a good thing. To those who've said, "well, you should have prepared better"; yes, if I'd had a crystal ball, I could have bought more ammo, but that wouldn't have prevented shortages. It would have just made the shortages a little worse for everyone else.

To say that those who are unhappy with the sudden ammo shortage should always have a huge supply on hand is like saying everyone should keep a minimum 6 month supply of toilet paper, paper towels, hand sanitizer, pasta, rice, chicken, milk etc. on hand. Maybe we should all do that. I don't because I don't have enough space in my house. We live in the USA, not some third world backwater.
It is wrong to say the shortage was not anticipated. I didn't know when it would occur, or what would trigger it, but I sure anticipated that sooner or later a shortage would occur. So did many people who have lived through past shortages.

As for keeping a 6 month supply of TP, etc. you should definitely keep some. If you don't have room for a six month supply, perhaps the best you can do is a 2 month supply, but you shouldn't be on the edge of running out.

Whether it is ammo, or TP, it is YOUR responsibility to stock your own supply when things are available. If you don't you're going to be the one who doesn't have any at a time like now.

Price adjustments are simply the market's way of rationing. If you see prices going up, we are already on our way to a shortage.
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Went to my local supermarket today. All sold out of the large 2 pound bricks of cheese. Cheese! Not only the Cabot quality brand, but the cheaper no name store brand as well! Are you kidding me? Are we supposed to keep huge supplies of everything?

I don't have enough space in my refrigerator to store several months of everything. People have lost their minds.

Cheese is nice to have, but you can live without it.
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Went to my local supermarket today. All sold out of the large 2 pound bricks of cheese. Cheese! Not only the Cabot quality brand, but the cheaper no name store brand as well! Are you kidding me? Are we supposed to keep huge supplies of everything?

I don't have enough space in my refrigerator to store several months of everything. People have lost their minds.

Cheese is nice to have, but you can live without it.
How much you store is your decision, but you can certainly store enough for a few weeks, and if you aren't doing so then you aren't prepared for emergencies in general. You need to worry about everything from hurricanes to a change in gun laws. Nobody is going to stock up and store for you, and if you don't, it is no one's fault but your own.

FEMA used to recommend that you be prepped for a 3 day emergency at all times. After Hurricane Sandy they realized that was not enough and revised that recommendation to 14 days, so you even have a government guideline telling you to have supplies for two weeks.

If you don't have enough space, getting a bigger place should be a high priority.
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We lost our power 4 years ago due to a freak summer storn/tornado in southern New Jersey.My wife asked a neighbor if she ever saw it this bad
her response was in the form of a question.Did you ever take a cold shower in a unheated house in the winter? Since then I've been preparing for the worst,a little at a time,and still continue to prepare.
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Have you read the whole thread? There are no ammo hoarders, and if you keep insulting those who happen to have stocked up over time, there is zero chance they will share with you. :-)

It is YOUR responsibility to keep enough on hand to cover periods of short supply.
Not only have I stocked up on ammo over the past few years, I have tried to encourage others to "get while the getting is good". During the last administration I learned my lesson, and wished I had stocked up appropriately. I really did not, and suffered because of it. Not this time! I not only have "my share", but also reload. I think it is true for many people that when abundance comes, they get complacent. The smart people prepare!
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