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Old January 21st, 2020, 12:52 PM   #1
 
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Question Making a softer shooting CCW in 9mm

I have been reloading shotgun and Cowboy for many years and just about 1 year ago I started loading for my 9mm. I started with 700X and then moved to Alliant BE-86. The max load with the BE-86 is 5.7. I started with 5.1. Then on a recommendation from a friend went to 4.5. My Ruger 1911 and my EC9s both shot well with it but the recoil on the small EC9s was still kinda rough. I dropped it to 4.0 and the recoil on both guns is great but once in a wile the slide will not stay back on the last shot on the 1911. Would upping the charge to 4.2 make any difference? The 1911 is just a range gun but the EC9s is my CCW. Any thoughts?



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Old January 22nd, 2020, 06:04 PM   #2
 
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I have been using titegroup with a 124gr bullet. The load I have been using makes for very nice practice /range use. I would suggest doing some ladder testing. Try making a few with different weight powder charges to test in each fire arm. Start low and work your way up. I usually make them all at once and try them all back to back. Then pick the one that you like and that functions the firearm.
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Nickle city , it sounds as though you followed a published recipe initially and then switched to a "friend's" recommendation. If you have a published load,especially by the bullet manufacturer .- Never opt for a "friends " recommendation which could be DANGEROUS.
Light loads of some powders can be very dangerous,especially when over 10% light.

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Nickle city , it sounds as though you followed a published recipe initially and then switched to a "friend's" recommendation. If you have a published load,especially by the bullet manufacturer .- Never opt for a "friends " recommendation which could be DANGEROUS.
Light loads of some powders can be very dangerous,especially when over 10% light..
In what way can they be dangerous? I am not being a smart guy I would just like to know.

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1. Get a heavier gun.
2. Use lighter bullets.
3. Use less powder.
4. Wear gloves.
5. Do all, or some of the above in different ratios.
or
Switch to a full size .380
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Your question strikes me as a physics and chemistry puzzle. Ammunition manufacturers work on this puzzle all the time and frankly, I am the testing arm of their efforts.

Here's my personal solution. I carry Underwood Xtreme Defender ammunition in all my carry guns: 40 S&W, 9mm and .380. The bullets are all light weight, copper, solid and very fast. The felt recoil is noticeably less. On paper, the ballistics are as good as or better than lead and/or hollow point. The bullets will never clog like a hollow point, they are barrier blind, penetration is very good and still create hydro-static shock in soft tissue areas.

Others may not believe or agree with this and I am fine with that.
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In what way can they be dangerous? I am not being a smart guy I would just like to know.
Again, just my opinion here. On a shooting range where you shoot at targets, I would be OK with whatever you loaded, as long as it didn't cause your gun to explode and sent the pieces in my direction. I am even OK with you having "duds" and saying "hmmmmm?" when it happens.

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In what way can they be dangerous? I am not being a smart guy I would just like to know.
Too light of a load of powder could result in a squib. If you do not realize you had a squib and fired again, the gun could explode under the pressure.
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Undercharging a faster burning powder can result in a stuck bullet in you chamber or BBL. That in of itself isn't a problem it's the next round that becomes the issue if you don't realize what just happened. The is why reloading manuals build in ranges based on their extensive testing. Reloading data outside of published SAAMI loads is not condoned here.

If the recoil on a standard 9 MM is too much then suggest you drop down in caliber to a .22 rimfire.
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I havent been loading a lot of 9mm recently but I found that titegroup in published loads felt like a pop gun so much that I didnt like using it. I WANTED more push and changed powder.

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The titegroup definitely "feels" lighter in both 9mm and 45 in my expereince
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Thank you all for your input on this subject. I will carefully consider it.
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Semi-autos are recoil operated. If your loads are too light the recoil push the slide back far enough. With many guns you can buy operating springs of different weights; however, I don't know that lighter springs are available for an EC9. Add 0.1 gr. of powder to your load untill the slide operates reliably and that will be as low as you can go.
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The weight of the slide is a factor as well, hence you have problems with your 1911 that you have not experienced with the EC9S.
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What I need to do is get ahold of a friend of mine and have him bring his Krono. to the range so I can find out just how fast they are going. I am trying to get them at about 800fps.
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I would suggest the opposite of others here. Instead of going for a lighter bullet; try a heavier one. That would bring your velocity down, keep your function up and at least change the way the recoil feels
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I've read where some self-defenders have trouble in court with hand reloads. I stick with commercial ammo in my EDC. In 9mm I use Federal HST.
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