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Old March 20th, 2015, 08:28 PM   #1
 
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Hey All,
I am seriously considering starting to reload. Has anybody used factory seconds bullets? Would you recommend?



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For target practice yea sure. Although I've never used any. If you are seriously considering reloading I wouldn't be seriously considering factory seconds bullets.

What are you thinking of reloading for?

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When I've bought some from Midway the only problem was the inconstancy of of the wight. I recall exactly, but it seems they were off +/- up to 10 grains of the stated 158g. They worked fine except for dead on accuracy.
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I find for handgun rounds the "seconds" and "pulled" bullets are just fine. I can't tell any difference in accuracy at my skill level. For rifle plinking ammo I find the same thing, it's just fine. If you are a long range precision shooter, buy first quality bullets.
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There's something that bothers me about you looking at factory seconds bullets and not reloading yet but considering it. I'm all for saving a buck I buy factory second cigars and clothes but I think your real savings and value come from finding a reliable source of inexpensive quality products. You never mentioned what you're thinking of reloading.
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I reload to avoid factory firsts...
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I bought some Nosler factory second 168 gr HPBT bullets. Good price so I got 300. I reloaded a bunch and had a difficult time holding OAL. I measured some bullets, tip to base and discovered why they were seconds; the hollow point opening was inconsistent, rough, not round. Length varied nearly .010", but they shot fine in my Garand...

There are inexpensive bullets out there that will shoot good, and saving money with 2nds is OK, but don't expect great accuracy with them. But why buy premium bullet, factory defects? Shop around and you'll find some factory "firsts" at a reasonable price...
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There's something that bothers me about you looking at factory seconds bullets and not reloading yet but considering it.
I fail to see the issue. Many people reload just to save money. So determining if cheaper components are feasible seems like a good idea before committing to do it.
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I fail to see the issue. Many people reload just to save money. So determining if cheaper components are feasible seems like a good idea before committing to do it.
The issue is you can't rely on single sources or start reloading based on a single component cost or in this case oddball components. Just like you can't buy a car based on the cost of gas at your corner gas station. Saving 3 on a 25 bullet is still more than an "off' brand 20 reliable bullet. Availability of components factor in -- the long run availability and finding a good reliable source. I don't think getting different components or whatever is cheapest or on sale is the best idea especially for a new reloader.
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OP, hopefully you'll get some info on factory 2nds. I've never tried any. Also, if you start reloading, hopefully you'll stick around to ask questions and share your experience. I've found helpful people and answers here when I've had questions. Someone guessing at your motives and then telling you they are "bothered" by whatever they've guessed is not the norm here.
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What's also not normal is other people because they don't understand the point of view or disagree with an opinion of others saying that's not normal.
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I've used seconds from Graf's and some of the Nosler seconds...I'm not a "precision" shooter..more a plunker and plinker and the seconds worked great...The Graf's seconds were .311 for reloads for a Mosin...couldn't see worrying much about precision out of a $150 rifle...and they shot great. I use the 44 cal and 45 Colt seconds in the handgun series from Nosler (get them from Shooters Pro shop) and can't find any reason for seconds except maybe in the packaging...again I shoot for fun and not for ultra precision so probably wouldn't notice things the way a high precision shooter might.

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I use them all the time. I get mine from rmr.
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I use them quite a bit for range fodder.

I've bought those from Midway and I've had a hard time finding anything wrong with them. THey look like Hornady.

I'm in the process of using pulled .308 bullets from Everglades in FL and I'm really impressed. They are packaged very well and the weight is very consistent. Very few looked 'pulled' or had any scuffs on them at all.

I tried Weidners for brass once and I won't give them the time of day. There was as much dirt and sticks in the bag as there was brass.
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