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This is a discussion on “Old eyes” within the Range Reports forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; Originally Posted by ditto1958 In all seriousness, eyesight does both change and deteriorate with age. I’m 61 and have worn glasses since 5th grade and ...


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Old September 8th, 2019, 08:06 AM   #16
 
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In all seriousness, eyesight does both change and deteriorate with age. I’m 61 and have worn glasses since 5th grade and bifocals since my mid-40’s. I definitely need a lot more light than I did when I was younger. I also don’t have nearly as much depth of field as I used to when I was younger. Perhaps that’s the thing shooters notice first. On a bright sunny day an 18 year old can focus on the front and rear sights AND the target. Older shooters can’t do that. Gotta pick one and the other two are out of focus. Look through a good scope, and wow! Everything is clear again.

But do normal age-related changes in eyesight preclude the effective use of open signts? No, not usually. Use a six o’clock hold and hold in the same spot for each shot and excellent groups are within reach with a bit of practice.

As I said in my original post, scopes are good, and I use and enjoy them. We need them. But shooting well with irons should not be overlooked.
You are fortunate. You have minimal issues that can allow you to still use open sights.

In my case, add in the effects of retina tears and the associated floaters that will need to be removed (which will result in major cataract surgery two months later) and open sights at distance isn't an optional.

As others have said, arrogance and lack of empathy is showing.



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I have a neighbor across the street that is 93 years old and walks every morning and evening the entire area (every street) of this community....that does not make any difference to my bad knees, COPD or bad heart. Her ability does not make my stamina better. I install any optic device that helps me see to hit the target better.
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I have a neighbor across the street that is 93 years old and walks every morning and evening the entire area (every street) of this community....that does not make any difference to my bad knees, COPD or bad heart. Her ability does not make my stamina better. I install any optic device that helps me see to hit the target better.
And you should.

This is a touchy subject, and I knew that when I started this thread. No where did I ever intend to assert that no one needs a scope and no one should use a scope. Another friend of mine is 71, and had poor vision his entire life. He recently had cataract surgery, put scopes on almost all of his guns, handguns included, and can now see to shoot well for the first time he can even remember.

He needs scopes.

Most of us just want them.

The point I hoped to make is most shooters with “normal” aging eyes should not rule out open sights, and should not feel they can’t shoot well with open sights.

Maybe it’s similar to automatic versus standard transmissions in vehicles. Most American drivers prefer autos, to the point where very few vehicles even offer a stick shift.

My vehicles were sticks until 15 years ago. Now they’re almost always automatics. I prefer them now that I’m older, but I still like sticks, and know that
they work well and are even better than autos at some things.

I understand why people want automatics, but most people don’t NEED an auto to drive well.
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ditto1958, That's not at all how your first post started this conversation. There's no analogy with driving a stick/automatic versus using a scope. I honestly don't think you have a clue how failing eyesight affects shooting. I certainly don't want to wish anything bad on anyone, however maybe when you get older, you will get the drift.

Further, so what if people with good eyesight just want a scope on their rifle or handgun. Is that so bad? I honestly don't think you have thought this out and have managed to offend many of our members.
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My solution for aging or poor eye sight.........you go full-auto, you’re bound to hit something.

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My solution for aging or poor eye sight.........you go full-auto, you’re bound to hit something.
A 3-shot burst triples the odds of a hit
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Have always used mostly Leupold for range fun, practice, precision clean harvest of animals, light gathering, precision testing loads and NOW especially for changing vision. Used Burris for anything above 60-70lbs recoil.

My great grandfather used peep & ghost in 1940's harvesting many desert Muleys in Davis Mountains because that was some of the best readily available for him. I have a few of those too. But I used a scope when got my rare opp there in 90s.

Really enjoy the mepro tritium dots on 45 auto use for critical defense & range fun, plus red dot & scopes on select handguns. Got fiberoptics for my wife, boy is she a natural. Am finding I enjoy ALL even more as I get older. We are fortunate these days on what we have access to, for sure.

For even more fun, switch to scopes before eye strain even starts, always made sense to me when safe handling of potentially dangerous firearms. Iron sights fun, but not my first choice for most needs. Have always tried to take care of my vision FIRST, while improving all aspects of my shooting. ENJOY
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Always been nearsighted in my right eye. My left has gotten badly far-sighted as I aged. With iron sights on a rifle, my dominant eye picks up the rear sight fine, while the left eye makes out the front. I am still of the opinion that, as with a handgun, seeing that front sight is most important for how I shoot rifles. The target is always a little out of focus. I am not a bullseye or benchrest shooter. The only time I shoot a gun from rest is when hunting with a rifle.

I wear glasses to shoot, and have no problem with scopes. I use them for hunting, both varmints and deer, unless it is a short-range shot with my shotgun.

BTW, I don’t understand the grumpiness on display here. Enjoy the hobby with the modifications you need to shoot well. At nearly 60, I am finally learning to drive a 5 speed, too
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I’m in my early ‘70s. I took the time to switch to red dot sights on my carry pistol as my sight degraded.

Of course opinions vary, but with enough practice they work very well for me. And in a pinch I also have suppressor height sights as a back up.
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I periodically post rants about eyesight and sights/optics. A pet peeve of mine is people who justify buying scope because their “old eyes” can’t cut it any more with iron sights. I don’t believe that, and I wish people would stop trying to justify using a scope because of supposed declining vision.

My friend Ruben is probably the best shooter at our range. He’s in his early 80’s and wears glasses for both distance and reading. The other day, he borrowed an Egyptian rifle (FN-49?) from another shooter, a military surplus 308 rifle with aperture sights, and shot a 3 shot cloverleaf group from a bench at 100 yards.

This was not a cherry-picked group. Those were the only shots he took with the rifle. He handed it right back to the owner.

Scopes are wonderful. I have them and use them. Iron sights, though, still work just fine, and just as well as they did when our forefathers had to use them to put meat on the table. Don’t ever underestimate how well you can shoot with them. If you can legally drive to the range you can see plenty well enough to shoot.
I have a cousin who is 83 and is blessed with great eyesight. He could probably shoot just as well as your friend.

I just bought a new Marlin 1894 rifle...it came equipped with a buckhorn rear sight and a hooded front sight with a brass bead. I've always loved buckhorn sights. The first time out I had problems picking up the front sight...so I removed the hood. That helped a little but that front bead was hard for me to pick up regardless of the lighting...so I dobbed a drop of white paint on it...that again helped, but the combination wasn't working for me. I have a peep sight on my Marlin 336 that I can pick up rather quickly. So, I ordered a peep sight from Skinner with the optional .040" aperture. When I installed it I had to change out the front sight. I installed one I had in my spare parts that had a white bead. I can now pick it up rather quickly but it's still not as clear as I would like it. I will probably order a a HiViz front sight for it.

I have 3 rifles that are scoped... I can look thru them and see my target and my aiming point crystal clear...though I'm not a big fan of scopes I can see the writing on the wall...I will eventually have to scope all rifles I use for hunting and shooting.

My vision at one time was 20-15 but has steadily deteriorated since my mid 40's. "Old Eyes" do exist for many of us. Your eyes may catch up some day and I'm sure you'll be changing your tune when that happens.
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I used to have 20/10 vision. That was then and this is now. At age 67, I have a difficult time focusing on the front sight post of most rifles. Achieving precise slight alignment of a front post in a rear sight notch, or front post in a rear sight peep is problematical. Small errors in sight alignment make a huge difference when shooting at distance.

I also need some magnification to clearly see a small target like a 1" bull's eye at 100 yards. Depending on the color of the target and the lighting, I commonly have difficulty judging exactly where the top of the front sight post ends. This tends to result in vertical stringing of hits. A six-o'clock hold is fine when shooting at a bull's eye of consistent size, or bull's eyes that are scaled to look the same size at different distances. It doesn't work that well when shooting at targets or bulls of varying size at different ranges.

This is not a "touchy" subject. The responses in this thread are not coming from individuals who are trying to justify the purchase of a rifle scope that they "just wanted". They are responses that are based on the reality of aging and the effects of aging on human visual acuity, in response to someone who is perhaps fortunate enough to still have excellent vision and chooses to ignore that reality.

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I used to have 20/10 vision. That was then and this is now. At age 67, I have a difficult time focusing on the front sight post of most rifles. Achieving precise slight alignment of a front post in a rear sight notch, or front post in a rear sight peep is problematical. Small errors in sight alignment make a huge difference when shooting at distance.

I also need some magnification to clearly see a small target like a 1" bull's eye at 100 yards. Depending on the color of the target and the lighting, I commonly have difficulty judging exactly where the top of the front sight post ends. This tends to result in vertical stringing of hits. A six-o'clock hold is fine when shooting at a bull's eye of consistent size, or bull's eyes that are scaled to look the same size at different distances. It doesn't work that well when shooting at targets or bulls of varying size at different ranges.

This is not a "touchy" subject. The responses in this thread are not coming from individuals who are trying to justify the purchase of a rifle scope that they "just wanted". They are responses are based on the reality of aging and the effects of aging on human visual acuity, in response to someone who is perhaps fortunate enough to still have excellent vision and chooses to ignore that reality.

Spot on sir ...
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Like Lowegan, I too had cataract surgery, here within this year as well as having two new lenses installed. My distance has improved immensely, however in order to make changes to my many scoped rifles I have to put on my cheaters in order to see up close and personal in order to make windage and elevation adjustments. I'm 72 and have also had quadruple by-pass surgery in the past 15 years, and quite a while ago when my eyesight was actually superb, I would rely on my scoped deer and elk rifle in order to assure a clean kill.
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