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Old July 6th, 2019, 08:34 AM   #1
 
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Beretta Tomcat Inox: any owners? Cracked frames?

I am considering one. I actually enjoy shooting .32, though my carry guns are all revolvers. I like the design and the tip-up barrel.

Though Beretta widened the slide on the newer guns, I understand that some owners report frame cracks still. Probably hot ammo, but I am curious about any experience here among those who own the Inox version. A search of the forum revealed some old threads but nothing recent.

I will be looking for one, or a good 1903 Hammerless, soon. My BIL got a superb example of one that I found at a pawn shop, and I will start reloading for that caliber too, on the mild side of course.



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I've got a Beretta Tomcat in .32acp, and haven't had any troubles at all with it. I did notice that the firearm likes to be well oiled, I've shot probably 1000 rounds thru it, and most of those have been reloads, I've had it at least 15 years or so, I just recently purchased a new magazine for it, I did carry it for awhile, however I've got a few .380's that are small enough to place in my pocket when the temperatures get very uncomfortable out here and the smaller versions of 9mm and .45acp aren't very accommodating .

BTW the only high velocity rounds I've actually shot thru it were the Fiocchi , Extreme Pistol XTP HP's. and I still have a half of a box left, as far as accuracy goes it was fairly accurate out to 7 yards, in other words it would hold a 2" group at that range. However much beyond that it would shoot shotgun type patterns. Haven't noticed any cracking of the frame, but then again I've probably only shot a half box of the high velocity ammo thru it. Hope this has been helpful to ya.
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BTW the only high velocity rounds I've actually shot thru it were the Fiocchi , Extreme Pistol XTP HP's. and I still have a half of a box left, as far as accuracy goes it was fairly accurate out to 7 yards, in other words it would hold a 2" group at that range. However much beyond that it would shoot shotgun type patterns. Haven't noticed any cracking of the frame, but then again I've probably only shot a half box of the high velocity ammo thru it. Hope this has been helpful to ya.
Very much so, and thanks! Is your gun the wide slide version?
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OSW- I owned a couple and had no issues, both were the newer wide slide models. However, per Beretta, don't use 32ACP ammo that exceeds 130ft lbs.

Although I liked the Tomcat, grew to much prefer the Kel-Tec P-32. It has been easier for me to pocket carry and I shoot it with better accuracy. In addition you can use hotter ammo like the Fiocci FMJ 73 grain (160ft. lbs.) without issue.

In no way discouraging you from the Tomcat, its unique and a lot of fun.
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Have looked at the Tomcats as well, NAA Guardian I think itís called is a option to look at , have carried one for a week or so (my brothers) very robust little shooter. Also have a 1903 Colt (my wifeís) that has never failed to function.
Very expensive ammo for what really is an obsolete round anymore, but they are nice to shoot and have been going back and forth as far as reloading this caliber.
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I have heard that it is very common in the 3032 to crack frames . The Highroad has a long thread about that issue. It is sad that a metal gun would be so weak
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Old School, I'm not sure what the wide slide is, but I bought mine brand new about 15 years ago. Further I'm not even sure what the designation 3032 is however the serial Number is DAA373XX.
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From the Beretta website:

Frequently, our departments receive emails and calls concerning an “issue” with our 3032 Tomcat frames cracking. This is mostly misinformation, perpetuated over the years in various mediums.

All Tomcat frames are built using 7075 T6 aluminum, the exact material used to manufacture AR-15 lower receivers. At the time the firearm was introduced to the market in 1996, it's cartridge, .32 ACP, was relatively weak, when compared to the muzzle energy produced by many modern cartridges. Upon introduction, the muzzle energy limit was set at 130 ft. Ibs. As time passed, many ammunition manufacturers got in to the practice of increasing the muzzle energy produced by these cartridges, to a point where in some cases, the cartridges could easily exceed 150-200 ft. Ibs of muzzle energy, much higher than the 14 ounce aluminum frame can tolerate. Herein lies the problem.

Yes, the frames can crack, however, the issue in question stems from the use of improper ammunition, that exceeds the tolerances of the aluminum frame. If the owner purchases ammunition with a higher muzzle energy than specified, repeated use will crack the frame. This is not a defect with the firearm, and damage resulting from the use of improper ammunition is not covered by the factory warranty. Moreover, new Tomcat purchases typically carry a small note card, or note in the manual, indicating these ammunition limits.

In response to this ammunition issue, in 2007-2010, Beretta USA began manufacturing Tomcats with widened slides, with the capability of absorbing more energy and preventing cracks from the use of improper ammunition. However, this has not affected the muzzle energy limits.

Ammunition manufacturers may change the muzzle energy of their cartridges over time. With that in mind, it is incumbent upon the buyer to learn the parameters of each box of cartridges purchased. Online purchases are very helpful, as charts usually accompany the purchase, and demonstrate cartridge metrics. Moreover, the buyer should check for each purchase.

To that end, the purchase of a used Tomcat carries some risk, as the prospective buyer may never know how the pistol was treated by the original owner.

If your Tomcat has suffered a cracked frame, then it will ultimately need to be retired from service, as the frames, which are serialized and regulated, can be neither replaced nor repaired.

On rare occasions, we have been known to sell the owner a new Tomcat at wholesale cost, should this issue occur.
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Interesting post. As far as the OP is concerned, I like the Tomcat. It is fun to shoot even though it does not see as much range time as my 380s. I was hoping to complete a collection of 92FS, Cheeta, Tomcat and Bobcat. I have the first three and had some problems finding a Bobcat. Iíll keep looking. I usually check the ownerís manual for ammunition recommendations. The post from Mark40 got me off my butt to check the ammo on the shelf. The Remington UMC 32 is 129 at the muzzle. The other ammo I had was Seller & Bellot. That ammo is 177 at the muzzle. I donít have a cracked frame now and will pay more attention to what I buy in the future.
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Mark’s post is really helpful. Already sorting .32 brass from the recycling bucket. I plan to load on the mild side, once I have enough brass. Acme makes coated .32 bullets, and Berry has plated ones for about 6 cents each. I would not be shooting hp rounds.

We will see what the next gun show brings. I want to handle a Tomcat before I purchase. I know how a 1903 feels..darned good.
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I thank ya Mark 40, for the that informative piece from Beretta, I've checked my pistol and found no cracks, and the ammo doesn't really say what the pounds per inch or whatever is. I've been reloading for it ever since I bought it, and always below the recommendation for the weight bullet I've been using. Like I stated before I've only shot about a half box of the high velocity loads.
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what it says to me is: Our Beretta 3032 frames are weak. Lets blame the ammo,OK?
& If you want to buy another pile of poop, we will sell you another
at "wholesale cost", should you prove to be a total idiot!
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Mike 7189, that is exactly what I thought about it, I know I didn't get any warning with it when I bought mine, for a major distributor to put such a warning out is rather despicable. To think I've purchased the Beretta Model 92, and a Cougar 8040 also not to mention a Beretta O/U shotgun over the years. I don't appreciate their new motto, "buyer beware".
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Had one of the original blued 3032's shot over 2K rounds no problems with cracks. Used only standard ammo. The newer Inox version is stronger and handled a lot better with some hot loads . It's a great gun for Nanny's and old men who have trouble racking slides.JMO
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I have had ones in 25 qcp and 32. No problems with either.
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