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This is a discussion on 2 Birds, 1 Stone? within the Optics forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; I could use some objective help, please. I want to put a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16x44 with a EBR-2C MOA Reticle & First Focal Plane ...


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Old December 4th, 2019, 10:13 AM   #1
 
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2 Birds, 1 Stone?

I could use some objective help, please.
I want to put a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16x44 with a EBR-2C MOA Reticle & First Focal Plane scope on my CZ 512 Semi Auto in .22WMR
The rig will be mostly a paper puncher unless SHTF. I also have a Ruger SR556, in .223 with a Sig Romeo 4C red dot.
Since the 11MM receiver on the CZ will require an Picatinny adapter plate to accommodate the Scope, my question Is:
Should I get Quick Detach Rings for the Vortex so that I could use the scope on the .223 rig as well, since it already has a picatinny rail on top?? & if so which one will work well??
There is no magnification on the red dot & while I can do ok out to 100yd with the red dot, I really doubt I could Hit the broad side of a barn at further distances with the red dot although it is an excellent red dot.

Is this practical thinking or am I trying to put a square peg in a round hole? I really like the reticle on the vortex & I am hopeful that getting it zeroed after switching platforms should not be too difficult..
Any suggestions or comments are greatly appreciated.
Thank you & have a good day.



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Old December 4th, 2019, 10:36 AM   #2
 
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I prefer to have a dedicated scope for each rifle. Switching back and forth offers the probability that the scope will be mounted and zeroed on the opposite gun than what you want at any given time. I view quick release mounts as appropriate for rifles wearing iron sights. They allow scope removal in the field to be quickly accomplished without tools in the event of scope failure. I have been using a 4-12x scope on my .22WMR with good results. I have two rifles chambered in .223 Remington. The AR-15 wears a compact 1.5- 4.5x variable, while the heavy barrel Remington 700 has a big 6.5-20x optic mounted. Those magnification ranges work well for my needs.
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There have been times when I had 3 or 4 rifles and 1 or 2 scopes so that scope swapping was required ... I accomplished this by using Standard Weaver Detachable Top Mount Rings on each scope and with Weaver bases on each rifle . Loosen the QD knob , place scope with rings onto the other rifle . Of course the rifle will need to sighted in ...and that's the fly in the ointment !
I have removed a scope , installed a red dot for a while and then replaced the scope and it was still sighted in...I checked and zero had not moved .
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I'm with ngashooter …. I believe in a dedicated scope for each gun for a couple reasons. First, zeroing the scope as noted by ngashooter. Second, your AR556 and your CZ 512 are intended for different purposes so a 4~16X is a massive overkill for a close support AR556. A fixed 3X is a much better choice. Third, scope mounting height …. your AR556 will require 1" tall rings to get the scope high enough to see over the front sight whereas a scope mount on your CZ should be as low as possible, yet have enough front bell clearance for a lens cap.

That said, it wouldn't be a bad idea to buy a set of rings for your AR556, just in case you decide to scope it. I recommend UGT 1" tall rings such as the one in this link: https://www.amazon.com/UTG-2PCs-Stre...5507708&sr=8-7
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hmmmm…...You guys have given me a lot to think about , i appreciate it very much,
i had not thought about a different scope height for each rifle...great point, although the ar has flip down iron sights.....anyway, thanks for the insights, sounds like i should just stick with a dedicated scope for each......by the way, what are your thoughts about the Vortex on the CZ....Is it too much scope for the rifle? as it is i have to get an adaptor plate because the scope is 30mm & it is very difficult to find 30mm rings for an 11mm dovetail receiver......Thanks for any thoughts/suggestions....
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I always have a dedicated scope for each rifle or firearm. When changing the scope(s) it is always a challenge to re-zero. Consistency also suffers when the scope is zeroed repeatedly on the same rifle. Not saying it can't be done but not an endeavor I would want to start.
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Cool, i think i will have a dedicated set up for each rig.

Any thoughts on the Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16x44 with a EBR-2C MOA , for the C 512?? is it "too much scope" ??……i really like that reticle....

Maybe i should put the red dot on the CZ & the scope on the SR556??
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It appears that the initial query has been satisfied, but piling on - definitely better to have dedicated optics for each rifle. I would honestly rather have multiple optics for one rifle than share a single optic among multiple rifles, although I do find myself living both scenarios.

To the subsequent question regarding the Vortex Diamondback 4-16x on your 22LR: your application will dictate your design. Personally, a 4-16x44mm optic is generally my MINIMUM for what I consider for working scopes. For centerfire rifles, I tend to expect hunting is possible from 25 to 500 yards, and on big game, 4-16x just barely gets where I want to be. For 22LR’s, the ranges are much shorter, but the target game is much smaller too. A squirrel’s head at 25 yards is about relative to a deer’s heart at 100, so keeping the same magnification at hand offers a similar proportion in the FOV for precise placement of the POA. My dedicated long-for-22LR shooting 22’s currently sport 4-16x, 6-18x, and 4.5-18x scopes. I’ve shot NRL22 matches where a 5/8” target was used at 50 yards, once at 75 yards. You might imagine I zoomed in quite a bit to send those shots.

Alternatively, I have certain “go fast” rifles which only have one use - going fast. These typically sport LPVO’s and red dots, as the targets are relatively large, and relatively close.

So how you plan to use it will dictate what you need from it. The scope is for you, the shooter, not for the rifle.
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Sage words Reticlelife…..thank you very much....I appreciate any advice. You guys are awesome!!!.....looking forward to getting it set up & hopefully sharing a pic. if i can figure out how to up load it....I am NOT a tech savy person at all. Thanks again & have a good day!
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