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Old December 19th, 2009, 01:48 AM   #1
 
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hunting big game with blackpowder

1) for bullets with a weight between 138.9 grains and 154 grains the
minimum legal energy is 2700 joules ( 1991.4 foot pounds per feet) at
100 meters E100

2) with bullets weighting minimum 154 grains, the minimum legal energy
is 2200 joules ( 1622.6 foot pounds per feet) at 100 meters. E100


Is it possible to meet these energy demands with any of the cartridges listed ?


The blackpowder cartridges:

.40-90
.40-100
.44-77 Sharps
.44-77 Remington
.44-90
.44-100
.44-105 Sharps (Necked)
.44-90 Remington
.45-82
.45-90
.45-100
.45-110 .
.45-120
.50-100
.50-110
.50-140 Sharps
.450 Black Powder Express
.461 (.450) Gibbs
.500 BPE ( 440 grains bullet ,580 m/s)
.577 Express



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Old December 19th, 2009, 01:47 PM   #2
 
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Well, based on some calculations, you would need 440 grains at 1500 fps to make that energy. Which is doable, with 100 grains powder, maybe less.
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Old December 19th, 2009, 03:06 PM   #3
 
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This one is pretty close to meet the demands:

45-120 SHARPS
500gr LRN bullet , BC 0.568, 120.0 gr 2F blackpowder, 1,170 fps muzzle velocity :
1112 ft/sec velocity at 100 yards , the energy is 1373 ft/lbf = 1861.5 joule at 100 yards.

any other loads ?
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Now just what type of big game animals are you wanting to kill with your Black Powder weapon? X the idea of any dangerous game animals!
However, animals such as Stag, Elk, Moose are certainly doable. I do have a traditional .54 caliber Hawkin that can sure make a critter lay down in a big hurry when hit by one of it's bullets.
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Now just what type of big game animals are you wanting to kill with your Black Powder weapon? X the idea of any dangerous game animals!
However, animals such as Stag, Elk, Moose are certainly doable. I do have a traditional .54 caliber Hawkin that can sure make a critter lay down in a big hurry when hit by one of it's bullets.
The book load on my .54 TCA Hawken says 1983fps with 2009 ft/lbs with a 230gr ball over 120gr of FF.

If that won't do the trick, I don't know what will.
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Now I also have a .45/120 in a Sharps replica that will "walk the dog" for any big game NON-Dangerous game animals at a distance of under 200 yards I reckon. Those Buffalo Hunters back in the 1800's used em a whole lot to thin out those million plus herds of critters. This 45/120 shoots a big bullet of 550 grains and it hits a lot harder than my muzzle loaders.

My .54 Hawkin is a traditional black powder muzzle loader and is good for big game animals out to about 150 yards and I have used several brands of bullets such as Barnes bullets, a 325 grain copper bullet going 1660fps with an energy rating of 1850-lbs at the muzzle. Now at 100 yards it develops around 1260-lbs of energy and velocity will be 1320fps.

Now the newer Inline Muzzle Loaders are more powerful but we only shoot traditional muzzle loaders around our place using black powder or Pyrodex P in our rifles. I hope this helps you out in your wanting to know about these weapons.
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