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Old February 13th, 2019, 06:57 PM   #31
 
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Personally I would not shoot anyone over property especially a car unless I was in it at the time and I felt my life was in danger.

I know two people who have had to use deadly force, the first was an intruder on a friend’s yacht in the middle of the night while he and his wife were asleep. The second was St. Louis City copper who shot and killed a young kid on two different occasions. It was at night in a park both times and they were shooting at him so he shot back not knowing they were both juveniles. Taking a human life screwed both these guys up. The cop quit telling me “I didn’t sign up for this s&@!

It just seems some think ending a life is easy, no different than swatting a fly. I know it’s a road I never want to go down and will avoid as best I can.

Sorry if you don’t agree with me, it’s how I feel and I will not engage in a back and forth over it.



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"The homeowner then tried to hold the man at gunpoint as he tried to leave, when he shot the suspect in the head."

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Personally I would not shoot anyone over property especially a car unless I was in it at the time and I felt my life was in danger.

I know two people who have had to use deadly force, the first was an intruder on a friend’s yacht in the middle of the night while he and his wife were asleep. The second was St. Louis City copper who shot and killed a young kid on two different occasions. It was at night in a park both times and they were shooting at him so he shot back not knowing they were both juveniles. Taking a human life screwed both these guys up. The cop quit telling me “I didn’t sign up for this s&@!

It just seems some think ending a life is easy, no different than swatting a fly. I know it’s a road I never want to go down and will avoid as best I can.

Sorry if you don’t agree with me, it’s how I feel and I will not engage in a back and forth over it.
We all react to situations differently. One should never feel the need to apologize for their reaction to death of another.
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Agreed! (assuming that the “news media” got the story within a half mile of the facts)

My concern is for the homeowner, who was just trying to defend himself and his property and may be facing some tough times.

Frankly, while I wholeheartedly value human life above property, there are times that I wonder if we shouldn’t go back to the “touch my stuff and die” days. At least until the criminal class learns to be less arrogant.


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Amen! The criminal class has been well taught over the past few decades that there are rarely any real consequences for their actions. It has been repeated ad nauseum that the death penalty is not a deterrent to crime, maybe so but it does cut down on repeat offenders!

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Amen! The criminal class has been well taught over the past few decades that there are rarely any real consequences for their actions. It has been repeated ad nauseum that the death penalty is not a deterrent to crime, maybe so but it does cut down on repeat offenders!

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I would disagree. Every criminal who has been executed has never gone on to commit another crime.
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Based on the news story - which always leaves room for lots of error - it sounds like the homeowner confronted the car prowler, had him at gunpoint and then shot him - deliberately or accidentally - when he tried to flee the scene.

No es bueno, as they say in Texas.

Depending on state law and the quality of his attorney, the homeowner may be in hot water. In addition, if the burglar survives, his story will undoubtedly be different - “I thought it was my friend’s car!” or something like that.

No matter what the state law says, it’s never good to shoot someone who is fleeing - that doesn’t read as a self-defense situation to a jury. Shooting someone outside, in a publicly-accessible space, also looks bad, unless you can establish that you didn’t initiate the encounter.

Not saying that the homeowner did anything illegal, just that he’s not on the most solid footing for a defensive shooting.

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Your right. But the homeowner only shot him a little bit. (Shot him in the head) They will be able to put Humpty Dumptyback together again. And I bet he won't steal a guys car anymore.
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I wonder whatever happened to the homeowner?

In most states, you better be IN the car to justify lethal force...then you're not 'protecting property', you're protecting yourself.

I guess if all else fails, and the thief is about to drive away with your ride, you could always shoot out a couple of tires, to prevent it from going anywhere...then when he jumps out angry and comes at you, it's Open Fire time...
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Shoot the tires out and call the police. He won't get far.
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Shoot the tires out and call the police. He won't get far.
It's only a matter of time before all these cars with digital and computer crap come with an instant kill app you can install on your phone, and shut the whole thing down with the touch of a screen.
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This all could have been avoided had the perp not chosen to break the law. Let's lay the blame where it belongs.

Second we do not know nearly enough to pass judgement.

For all we know, the perp was trying to take the gun from the homeowner when he was shot. Or his struggle could have caused the discharge.

Don't want to lose your life like this? Don't steal.
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This all could have been avoided had the perp not chosen to break the law. Let's lay the blame where it belongs.

Second we do not know nearly enough to pass judgement.

For all we know, the perp was trying to take the gun from the homeowner when he was shot. Or his struggle could have caused the discharge.

Don't want to lose your life like this? Don't steal.
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The perp is NOT the victim here.
Imagine the emotional effects and the hassle the homeowner is going through.
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I'm not going to cry because a thief was killed. No matter his circumstance whatever he was trying to take was not his. I won't defend him.

I think there are way too many good reasons why unless physically threatened it is illegal in most cases to shoot someone. If not where should the cutoff be? Should I be able to kill someone's child if I catch them stealing my child's bike? Should I be required to ask for an ID to ensure he was of legal age before I shoot? Is the dollar value the issue? Must I prove after I kill him that the car was still worth more than $5,000? Our justice system doesn't put thieves on death row. I think there's good reasons why the punishment is supposed to fit the crime. Are individuals exempt from this? Extenuating circumstances may exist and that is what our justice system as imperfect as it maybe is setup to handle.
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Even police aren't supposed to shoot unless physically threatened. Should this be changed as well? Should the everyday Joe be exempt from this requirement?
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Gun ownership comes with a great degree of responsibility. Sometimes it pays to take time to think out the different possibilities and what ifs beforehand because when the time comes there's a good chance you won't have any time.
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Personally I would not shoot anyone over property especially a car unless I was in it at the time and I felt my life was in danger.

I know two people who have had to use deadly force, the first was an intruder on a friend’s yacht in the middle of the night while he and his wife were asleep. The second was St. Louis City copper who shot and killed a young kid on two different occasions. It was at night in a park both times and they were shooting at him so he shot back not knowing they were both juveniles. Taking a human life screwed both these guys up. The cop quit telling me “I didn’t sign up for this s&@!

It just seems some think ending a life is easy, no different than swatting a fly. I know it’s a road I never want to go down and will avoid as best I can.

Sorry if you don’t agree with me, it’s how I feel and I will not engage in a back and forth over it.
Totally agree with you. If my life? Absolutely. If my things? Nope. It is still a life. It is not how I was raised and what I pray on Sundays.

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