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Old January 10th, 2019, 08:48 PM   #31
 
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Had a chance to revisit that Cabelas today

While looking at a pistol, I asked the clerk, point blank, what's the story on these factory seconds? He replied that Cabelas "has an arrangement with Ruger" to take what Ruger considers seconds. I asked does Ruger mark them in any way? No, and they don't always say just what makes them seconds, although sometimes the boxes are marked with a sticker, etc. (It's kind of a moot point if you consider that the prices are at or above retail for unblemished guns.) Go figure.




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You are right on the go figure!! I use to work part time several years ago at Cabela’s in the Bargain Cave. I always had a chance to get some good deals in the Bargain Cave on returned items etc. But I really don’t care much for Cabela’s now since Bass Pro bought Cabela’s out. Plus the Bargain Cave now is a total joke!!!
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I won't mention any names. But years back some manufactures would take the assembly parts that weren't quite up to speck (fit) during assembly. Instead of hand "fitting" them to work, they'd set the part to the side. Then when things got slow or towards the end of the run, they'd assemble and fit all the "not quite up to spec parts", mark and sell the guns as seconds. Nothing wrong with them, they just weren't up to original quality standards. Most went to the discount retail chain stores and why they could sell cheaper.
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Maddmax, I have a hard time believing any gun manufacturer would do what you said …. another classic gun myth.
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That is too funny!!!

I used to see Kygunco a few times a year have a “blemished” Taurus sale. They always had a bunch of models and lots of each. Still not sure what was going on at Taurus.
Those factory blemish or refurbished firearms ran from frame damage, missing sights, missing blueing, to "I think they're overstocked and calling it a blem so they don't devalue the model."

Ruger factory refurbished pellet rifles have been advertised since summer '18. The ad didn't specify what factory did the work. Never saw any Ruger firearms seconds advertised.
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Ruger doesn't make air rifles. Those are Chinese. Airgun "refurbs" are usually guns returned under warranty for an exchange or, most likely, returned due to buyer's remorse. A lot of people buy an adult airgun and find out they aren't what they thought they were.

While I haven't heard about assembling guns from rough parts, I have read where companies did what I believe were called "sweep ups", assembling guns from the remaining inventory of discontinued parts. For example, 1885 low wall .22 trainers.

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You are right on the go figure!! I use to work part time several years ago at Cabela’s in the Bargain Cave. I always had a chance to get some good deals in the Bargain Cave on returned items etc. But I really don’t care much for Cabela’s now since Bass Pro bought Cabela’s out. Plus the Bargain Cave now is a total joke!!!
Once the merger kicked in full force during December by them charging $35 a pound for H335 and BLC-2 reloading powder, they got a customer service complaint professionally worded "your crazy" an ultimatum of discontinuing my business if this went unresolved after a month.

30 percent markup in less than a month with no significant wholesale price hike from suppliers is what price gougers do and I'll have nothing to do with that.

Other than parts replacement emergencies that Academy or LGS does not carry, I won't be stepping foot in there again.

I am not paying for their merger and the multi-million dollar building remodels which give almost zero value to the customer.

Yuck, bad enough that it almost looks like their making the stores into expensive monuments to worship their own business.

Their pricing strategy just might put them out of business the next time a major economic crisis hits.
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SSBN620GOLD, I've been doing a lot of research on air rifles in the past couple weeks because I'm thinking serious about buying one. You're right …. Ruger Air rifles are made by Umarex in China but because of Ruger's rigid standards, they are actually rated pretty high. The Air Hawk is their cheapest model and is a clone of a Diana. It sells on Amazon for $103.99 delivered to your door. Granted, these Chinese made air rifles can't compare with the quality of the German or British made air rifles that sell for several time more but they aren't bad if you just want a plinker.

BTW, Ruger is notorious for making "clean up guns". It is not unusual for them to produce more parts than needed and warehouse them for future use. One gun that comes to mind is a recently manufactured 44 Mag Vaquero. Turns out, Ruger had some large Vaquero frames that were left over when the New Vaquero mid-frame models went into production so they made a batch of heavy frame 44 Mags. These were marked "New Vaquero" to keep us all confused. Personally, I think using up overruns on parts is a good business decision. BTW, these are nor used parts or parts that didn't meet specs …. they are just extras.
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SSBN620GOLD, I've been doing a lot of research on air rifles in the past couple weeks because I'm thinking serious about buying one. You're right …. Ruger Air rifles are made by Umarex in China but because of Ruger's rigid standards, they are actually rated pretty high. The Air Hawk is their cheapest model and is a clone of a Diana. It sells on Amazon for $103.99 delivered to your door. Granted, these Chinese made air rifles can't compare with the quality of the German or British made air rifles that sell for several time more but they aren't bad if you just want a plinker.

BTW, Ruger is notorious for making "clean up guns". It is not unusual for them to produce more parts than needed and warehouse them for future use. One gun that comes to mind is a recently manufactured 44 Mag Vaquero. Turns out, Ruger had some large Vaquero frames that were left over when the New Vaquero mid-frame models went into production so they made a batch of heavy frame 44 Mags. These were marked "New Vaquero" to keep us all confused. Personally, I think using up overruns on parts is a good business decision. BTW, these are nor used parts or parts that didn't meet specs …. they are just extras.
Yes, it is true, that Ruger Chinese Air Rifles are of better Quality than other Chinese made guns. There were endless discussions on this issue for many years on the airgun forums. If a company like Ruger can contract with the Chinese and have their own specs, the Chinese can produce a quality product, provide that QC is monitored.
And Vortek does make a After market spring for the Ruger. A better idea would be to buy from Dragon air guns as mentioned before and have him do a tune.
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Ruger no longer over produces a model. Since Ruger went into the, Lean Manufacturing mode, lines do a one piece flow. Firearms are no longer stored in a warehouse by the thousands. Firearms are started as raw casting and never leaves the line, except for test firing, until it is put into a box. If sales drop on a certain line, employees are shifted to another line that is doing a higher production firearm. Employees are crossed trained on other lines.There are no longer bins/baskets of parts just sitting around. Parts that are made today, go into a firearm today.
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I would guess 1949
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Not plugging Cabelas but, if you haven't bought an air rifle yet, here is the best deal going.


https://www.cabelas.com/product/RWS-...BO/1979675.uts
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Maddmax, I have a hard time believing any gun manufacturer would do what you said …. another classic gun myth.
Got that from a factory rep back in the mid 80's when he was at one of the LGS I was working at part time back then fixing peoples mistakes and problems (not sales). He bought us lunch and to prove his point (we had called his bluff), we stopped into a couple of the Discount Chain Stores that were still open and selling shotguns and rifles (at that time). He said that "particular popular" brand of shotgun that had a P before the serial number meant it was a parts gun and why it had quite a difference in price over our stores cost.

Now a days with new technology and the bean counters, I imagine if it doesn't fit or work right it just gets tossed in the scrap bin.

…. another classic gun myth ? I only know what I saw back then and it's not worth either one of us loosing any sleep over. Stay safe and have a wonderful day.
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Years ago, I think early 2000s I bought a 1H stainless/laminate in .375 from Gunbroker. Seller was a guy in CT who said his landlord was Bill Ruger and he sold Rugers that were all stanped with a * before the serial number as cosmetic blemishes. Anyway, the rifle shoots as well as any that I have and no issues since.

Anyone else have a * stamped Ruger?
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I find it very hard that Ruger would use non conforming parts, then label it with a p so that it would stand out. I would believe that would just open you up for a large law suit. Maybe, just maybe, after the number was roll marked they realized it was a duplicate and used a non capital D instead of capital when they stamped it with a hammer and die and had it upside down. A picture of the p would be nice though.

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