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Old December 6th, 2018, 07:57 AM   #16
 
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Even with hearing aids that doesn't sound right. My buddy and I went to Cabela's the other day just to walk around and make fun of the over priced stuff. No deals to be found anywhere.



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Old December 6th, 2018, 08:04 AM   #17
 
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Palmetto State Armory sells factory seconds all the time, but they call them blemished.

Still $599 seems kinda high for a factory second GP100 .22lr. Isn't that MSRP?
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Several years ago, Ruger marketed some of their models with a serial number prefix or suffix ….. "D", for duplicate serial number. "S" is for factory second, stamped on the cylinder frame in front of the trigger guard or with the guns serial number. The "S meant the gun cosmetic issues but were mechanically sound. These guns were priced with a heavy discount, however they became very collectable so values increased dramatically. Ruger must have stopped this practice. I think this was an honest way to sell guns that were something less than normal specimens, provided dealers didn't try to deceive the buyer.

As for Cabela's, only the store knows what "factory second" means. I seriously doubt the guns were shipped from Ruger as "seconds" ….. but I have no way of knowing that for sure. My guess …. probably guns that show evidence of being handled.

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That is too funny!!!

I used to see Kygunco a few times a year have a “blemished” Taurus sale. They always had a bunch of models and lots of each. Still not sure what was going on at Taurus.
Aren't all Taurus's blemished already?
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OK, first off, I wasn't shopping for a gun, just happened to stick my head in while buying something else. I might ask next time I'm there, that is IF I can get anyone to help me. And there's no guarantee the clerk will know anything, if past experience st that store is anything to go by. Maybe I'll call Ruger to see what they say. The guns all appeared new. Can't recall if it said so. I just have never seen a Ruger listed as a second. Sounds like something you'd find in an outlet mall.
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Don't know about Ruger, but Coonan does occasionally have what they call "B Stock" firearms for sale. These are pistols that have minor cosmetic imperfections from the factory. Rather than scrap the pistols, they will offer them for sale on their Website on a first-come-first-served basis.

I picked up one of these "B Stock" pistols last year and the imperfection was a very small and very shallow pock mark on the underside of the frame.
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What 'Iowegan' said is part of the answer, and if you go back and read most any of the Ruger books written over the years, all of that is covered....the "S" ( seconds) "D" duplicates,later the "U" for 'used guns...all written down and covered far too much to put in a simple answer here in this short space or time...............
yes , you'd have to ask the sales person just what they mean by his/her reply as to any "new" items made today....far as we know , they been marked both on the box, the case or the outside cardboard shipper for the earlier guns both old model as well as New models.........
all of this is currently covered in the 'RENE' (Red Eagle News Exchange) out of Perry ,Iowa

but the simple answer to the OP is they started back in the 1950's.........

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Is it no inspection or no dry firing? I sure do not want a bunch of jerks dry firing the gun I will purchase. You say they will not let you inspect the gun. You mean you lay down your cash and they give you a box and will not let you open it? You cannot even look at the gun? I find this hard to believe.
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Is it no inspection or no dry firing? I sure do not want a bunch of jerks dry firing the gun I will purchase. You say they will not let you inspect the gun. You mean you lay down your cash and they give you a box and will not let you open it? You cannot even look at the gun? I find this hard to believe.
It is locked with a guard until you leave the store: Bass Pro Corporate started that after the merger. I can live with that safety measure but not banning mechanical checks. They had a ten-day return policy on Gun Library sales until this summer too. Not now.

To check timing I need to put the gun in full lockup, trigger back. I look down each cylinder for alignment, check the firing pin, and check trigger feel with snap caps.

So no more Cabelas for me until Spring, when their thermals get remaindered.
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I had a gunsmith friend tell me a long time ago that all guns sold by Walmart had something wrong (mostly cosmetic) with them. Maybe since some of the discount stores are not selling firearms any longer, the manufacturers don't have a choice but to use other outlets.
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My LGS had to order my Redhawk and when it finally came in I was allowed to look it over real good before committing. I asked the salesman if he was busy. He said take all the time you want and stayed with me to answer any questions. My 7 day waiting period began that day.
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I don't have access to Ruger publications, etc, but I will ask to handle one of the guns next time I stop by so I can see the s/n prefix. Knowing Ruger, I doubt they would let any major blems go out the door. As to the Bass Pro/Cabelas policy, it has shied me away from their used guns.
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As to the Bass Pro/Cabelas policy, it has shied me away from their used guns.
If you choose not to buy there, go to their Web page, find the “contact us” link, and say why in an e-mail.

When I did, I was told they would forward it to corporate. That may mean squat, but an old guy who works at my local Cabelas and knows guns says that their gun sales are off 25% as compared to before the new policy.

I bought from the Gun Library this year precisely because of the warranty. The inspection is something I assume, or I will not even consider buying a gun.
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Ruger has no "factory seconds" they ship everything, defective or not.
Agree 100% - love the Bill Ruger guns - not thrilled with the newer ones.
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I have a Ruger "factory second"...

...although I probably wouldn't call it that. I have a buddy in Vermont who only lives a few miles from the Ruger factory and here's the low down as I know it (very little speculation/opinion here by the way...). So, I'm told that guns coming out of that particular Ruger factory are inspected prior to being shipped; if they had even the slightest imperfection, most were sold at discounts...at least one shop down the road from Ruger used to get quite a few of them although I'm not sure they still do. Anyway, I got a NIB Ruger #1 stainless steel Tropical in .458 Lott for a sweet discount. When it arrived, I carefully inspected it and found a little nick in the laminated stock that looked like a flaw in the laminating process. I called my guy in Vermont and he said that would have been enough for Ruger to discount the gun. Yes the gun shoots just fine (quite the beast though!) and you'd think it was brand new even today. I realize it's fun for some folks to bash manufacturers on the internet and they may even have a reason to do so but sometimes it's people just talking without any real knowledge...and sometimes the posts are legit. Personally, I'd like to give people the benefit of the doubt but then sometimes it's obvious that not everybody knows what they're talking about. Sometimes I don't either!
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