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Old February 9th, 2020, 07:00 AM   #1
 
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There may be more to carrying a firearm

Check with your local law enforcement about the specific laws.
After being shot and robbed in my place of business a kind Police Lieutenant sat down and explained that I was responsible for protecting myself ... all they could do was come after the crime was committed and try and solve it.
He then went on to explain to me that in Louisiana , as a homeowner and business owner , that I can legally carry a concealed weapon with no permit required . I can legally do so inside my house , outside my house on my private property , from my house to my car and in my car . My car is considered an extension of my home .
I can drive to my place of business , carry inside of my business and outside on the business property...including the parking lot .

The other thing I didn't know is Louisiana has a legal open carry law... I can open carry without any required permit , anyplace that doesn't prohibit firearms such as places that serve alcohol , court houses, voting places, schools and a few other places that prohibit the carrying of any firearm .
One local restaurant gives a 10% discount if you are open carrying !

After learning all the places I can legally carry ...it pretty much covers all the places I want to carry and do so legally without a permit .

Do some investigating into the laws in your state and you might be surprised to learn what you can do legally .
The allowance of open carry with no permit was news to me and I like it .
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What? Wait What?
According to most all the folks running for the Presidency that is completely false and there is no need for you to have to worry about protecting yourself !
I know everyone on here is similar in mind I just couldn't help being a smart alec this time.

I think thats great that your LEO informed you about the local laws surrounding this as that would not always be the case depending on the officer.

Here in MN open carry is allowed with a permit to carry (can carry open or concealed)( also can carry openly on ones own property without a permit) however if one were to try to carry openly in the metropolitan area one would be subjecting oneself to several calls to PD as its not at all common or well known, but in the rural areas I have witnessed open carry and nobody seemed to care at all

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That sounds pretty much like the laws here in New Mexico.
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Remember that state and municipal laws vary widely when it comes to carrying firearms.

For example:

Oregon state law does not prohibit open carry AND the state constitution has a pre-emption clause that reserves laws pertaining to firearms to the state legislature (i.e. only the state legislature can make laws pertaining to firearms). HOWEVER, the city of Portland (AKA Havana in the Willamette) has a law forbidding open carry, even if you have a CCW permit. The fact that this law is in violation of the state constitution has not prevented Portland from arresting and prosecuting people for openly carrying firearms (although it HAS prevented them from winning in court - sadly, most people arrested for open carry plea bargain to other crimes).

So, just because a law enforcement officer in one jurisdiction says something is legal doesn't mean that itís legal in the next town over. And just because state or federal law protects a right does not keep law makers from passing laws violating that right (lookiní at YOU New Jersey and New York!).


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Here in PA we can open carry as well, however it is my opinion that open carry is asking for problems. I prefer to be the grey man using cc only. I also think it gives me a slight edge utilizing the surprise factor.

I know when I'm cc'g, I try to avoid all confrontations and would rather walk away than instigate a confrontation. I believe open carry, and this is my opinion, is of the mindset "hey! Don't screw with me - look what I'm carrying".

Given the choice, and I have a choice, I cc everytime.
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You definitely have to be ready to defend yourself or have a plan for flight.

More generally speaking, anyone who is relying on their government to aid/protect/save them when things go wrong is setting themselves up for disappointment and tragedy.
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No open carry in Florida (unless you are going fishing or hunting or camping).

But one good thing is that we have a preemption law that does not allow counties, cities, townships, etc from enacting any laws or ordinances that conflict with the state laws.
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With police now becoming the targets they may need our help.

Interesting that the LT was that honest in his discussion with the OP. Obviously they can't be everywhere at once. They will come draw a chalk outine around your body and try to find the killer. If they are in NYC and they arrest the killer he will immediately be released on his OR.
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It is always good to know what the laws are, especially if you have no desire to get a CPL license. However, for me, I think I will always have my permit. This is for a couple reasons. First, Michigan has been playing around with the idea of constitutional carry. However, it has yet to happen, and with our governor on full display giving the democrat rebuttal to the State of the Union, it wont be passed by her anytime soon. But I still would not give it up. I like being able to use my CPL when buying a firearm versus going through the NICS process every time I buy. Second, when I travel, I enjoy having some reciprocity with most states.

What I think more people need to know is what you said in your second sentence, you are responsible for protecting yourself. Do what you need to do to carry and protect yourself. If constitutional carry works for your situation, great, then carry. And Practice. And Practice. And Practice
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In Nj simple you can carry on your property or business never in your car without an unobtainable ccw permit. other than job related brinks truck etc or retired policd less than 1300 in a state of 9 million. In your vehicle unloaded only in the trunk or rear of the vehicle no loade mags no loaded speed loaders. ammo if in a gun case must be in is own box. Welcome to gun hell
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Constitutional (CCDW) Carry in Kentucky started this summer. I am still renewing my CCDW permit I have had for many years, since reciprocity becomes an issue when you travel.

I think we can still open carry also.
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It's good you live in a state where sanity prevails.

In Illinois, it depends on where you are.. If you're in a 2A sanctuary county, a true self-defense shooting is usually not prosecuted.

In the Chicago metro area, I think you're expected to not fight back but continuously say: " Thank You Sir, may I have another?"
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Whenever I travel I review the gun laws of the state's I intend to travel through. Some states like Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey and the like are avoided totally.
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Gary, WHEN were you shot and robbed?? Please don't say this is recent! What was the injury like? I had not heard this.
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Gary, WHEN were you shot and robbed?? Please don't say this is recent! What was the injury like? I had not heard this.
April 21, 2004 Wednesday , 5:45 AM , Baton Rouge , Louisiana
The office was open for business (structural engineer and architecture) I was working on plans for a church and liked to get an early start .
the bad guy walked into the kitchen , said nothing and fired 4 shots as I was pouring a cup of coffee . At 6 feet , 3 shots were misses but one shot struck me in the right side of my face . His gun jammed , he cleared the jam and was out of ammo . He got a wallet with $3.00 and some business cards in it and ran out . A description led to his arrest within a few hours , he shot at one police officer and missed and then shot a swat member in the arm during the take down . He was convicted and sentenced to a total of 85 years of crimes .
When he committed this crime he was on parole for another armed robbery conviction so got additional years for that .
All for $3.00 ! I kinda feel sorry for him he was a young man but when he gets out of prison he will be an old man...life wasted ...no wife, kids or family..
That's Really Sad

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