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Old February 11th, 2020, 08:19 AM   #16
 
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All for $3.00 ! I kinda feel sorry for him he was a young man but when he gets out of prison he will be an old man...life wasted ...no wife, kids or family..
That's Really Sad
It's sad because it's avoidable. You are a saint for feeling that way about a man who shot you.

Having grown up in a tough 'hood, I had two friends who went to prison for murder. Stupid choices they could have avoided. Neither crime was out of any clear need: just juvenile rage and stupidity. That said, neither of them was evil. They helped me and my family on many occasions. But they made a terrible decision out of rage or drunkenness and the rest followed.

I'm glad you are okay, but we should remember that a lot of crooks are like these guys. They shoot fast and carelessly; you have every right to defend yourself. I bet had he cleared the jam and found more ammo, you'l not be typing your tale here.



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It's sad because it's avoidable. You are a saint for feeling that way about a man who shot you.

Having grown up in a tough 'hood, I had two friends who went to prison for murder. Stupid choices they could have avoided. Neither crime was out of any clear need: just juvenile rage and stupidity. That said, neither of them was evil. They helped me and my family on many occasions. But they made a terrible decision out of rage or drunkenness and the rest followed.

I'm glad you are okay, but we should remember that a lot of crooks are like these guys. They shoot fast and carelessly; you have every right to defend yourself. I bet had he cleared the jam and found more ammo, you'l not be typing your tale here.
Thanks but no saint , just regular nice guy trying to make sense of this crazy world .
What's sad is if the fellow would have walked in the kitchen and asked me for money I more than likely would have given him $20.00... I'm an easy touch with a soft heart for those who need help...my wife calls me a sucker for a sob story and stray kittens ...but that was how my mom raised me ...
Just be nice to everyone .
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Check with your local law enforcement about the specific laws.
After being shot and robbed in my place of business a kind Police Lieutenant sat down and explained that I was responsible for protecting myself ... all they could do was come after the crime was committed and try and solve it.
He then went on to explain to me that in Louisiana , as a homeowner and business owner , that I can legally carry a concealed weapon with no permit required . I can legally do so inside my house , outside my house on my private property , from my house to my car and in my car . My car is considered an extension of my home .
I can drive to my place of business , carry inside of my business and outside on the business property...including the parking lot .
The other thing I didn't know is Louisiana has a legal open carry law... I can open carry without any required permit , anyplace that doesn't prohibit firearms such as places that serve alcohol , court houses, voting places, schools and a few other places that prohibit the carrying of any firearm .
One local restaurant gives a 10% discount if you are open carrying !
After learning all the places I can legally carry ...it pretty much covers all the places I want to carry and do so legally without a permit .
Do some investigating into the laws in your state and you might be surprised to learn what you can do legally .
The allowance of open carry with no permit was news to me and I like it .
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Kudo's to the Lt. who took the time to sit down and explain it to you...that's the kool part in much of this!

Also, some good points made here...especially the part about knowing one's state and local laws regarding personal carry on private property (that you own) and in one's place of business that you also own!

Those laws sound fairly similar to Indiana's laws...especially regarding carrying on personally and privately owned property...both home and business!

Glad you made it!
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Great post. It's very important to know your states laws regarding these things although I'll admit I'm probably not up to date with all of mine as it's been a while since I last checked:

In some states one cannot carry inside of an establishment that derives most of their revenue from alcohol sales (bars and taverns) but in my state one can carry in a bar so long as they are not drinking.

In my state it is also legal to carry any type of knife you want so long as you have a concealed carry permit. This includes automatic knives or a foot and a half long Bowie if you can fit it down your pants, no restrictions.

In my state anyone who attempts to break into your vehicle by force while you or your loved ones are in it can be shot the same way as if they were breaking into your home. My state doesn't differentiate between being in your home or in your vehicle if a break in occurs.

There is no requirement to inform an LEO that you are carrying a concealed weapon in my state but if one requests documentation you have to show them your license and state ID. Some states do require you to inform the LEO while others say you only have to inform one if they specifically ask.

There is at least one state (can't remember which one) where it's illegal to conceal carry more than one handgun so no "New York Reloads" allowed there. You could carry a pistol with 17 rounds in it but you can't carry two J-Frames totaling 10 rounds, if that makes any sense.

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Whenever I travel I review the gun laws of the state's I intend to travel through. Some states like Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey and the like are avoided totally.
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A few thoughts from a very opiniated old guy. First, I am a Christian, and have no interest in hurting folks. Second, I worked in 4 law enforcement jobs and put lots of folks in jail. Third for a second career, I went to law school and practiced law about 25 years including 8 as a prosecutor and put lots in jail.

Now, the Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no duty to protect you. The DA has no duty to enforce all the laws. And it gets worse...………… No one has to stop and pull you out of the ditch or come to your wife's aid if some guy is raping her on a public street, nobody even has to call the cops. Think about this, Obama and now Trump have told the US attorneys NOT to prosecute people who violate federal marijuana laws in states that have made it OK under their state law, so as an example, we are not really a nation of laws, we just say that.

What makes the world better is God made a lot of good people. If someone is abusing your wife on the street, at least in the southern half of the nation, people are going to stop and assist. And so far, we still have the right to possess guns to protect ourselves and others. Your local officer is correct, it is really your job to take care of yourself and family.

Yes I am opinionated but I think most gun people are going to step up. I have investigated cases where a good Samaritan and his wife and kid were murdered simply for helping a lady on the roadside. And I have sent guys to jail who raped and tried to murder a 19 teen year old girl. Lots of bad people out there, and you never know when they will come down your street.

So, you have to be careful, keep your door locked and just be vigilant. Just my 2 cents. Be safe.
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A few thoughts from a very opiniated old guy. First, I am a Christian, and have no interest in hurting folks. Second, I worked in 4 law enforcement jobs and put lots of folks in jail. Third for a second career, I went to law school and practiced law about 25 years including 8 as a prosecutor and put lots in jail.

Now, the Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no duty to protect you. The DA has no duty to enforce all the laws. And it gets worse... No one has to stop and pull you out of the ditch or come to your wife's aid if some guy is raping her on a public street, nobody even has to call the cops. Think about this, Obama and now Trump have told the US attorneys NOT to prosecute people who violate federal marijuana laws in states that have made it OK under their state law, so as an example, we are not really a nation of laws, we just say that.

What makes the world better is God made a lot of good people. If someone is abusing your wife on the street, at least in the southern half of the nation, people are going to stop and assist. And so far, we still have the right to possess guns to protect ourselves and others. Your local officer is correct, it is really your job to take care of yourself and family.

Yes I am opinionated but I think most gun people are going to step up. I have investigated cases where a good Samaritan and his wife and kid were murdered simply for helping a lady on the roadside. And I have sent guys to jail who raped and tried to murder a 19 teen year old girl. Lots of bad people out there, and you never know when they will come down your street.

So, you have to be careful, keep your door locked and just be vigilant. Just my 2 cents. Be safe.
We are fast becoming a nation of lawlessness my friend and those good people you mentioned are going to be taken out of it someday, either literally or by rendering them unable to have a positive effect on anything. I hope I won't be around when that happens. People are going to need a lot more than hi-cap pistols and AR-15's to save them then.
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Interesting that the LT was that honest in his discussion with the OP. Obviously they can't be everywhere at once. They will come draw a chalk outline around your body and try to find the killer. If they are in NYC and they arrest the killer he will immediately be released on his OR.
That last part is only true if the suspect is an illegal, I mean undocumented democrat. After all, we wouldn't want ICE or CBT to get their slimy, fascist hands on him!!!!!!
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Check with your local law enforcement about the specific laws.
After being shot and robbed in my place of business a kind Police Lieutenant sat down and explained that I was responsible for protecting myself ... all they could do was come after the crime was committed and try and solve it.
He then went on to explain to me that in Louisiana , as a homeowner and business owner , that I can legally carry a concealed weapon with no permit required . I can legally do so inside my house , outside my house on my private property , from my house to my car and in my car . My car is considered an extension of my home .
I can drive to my place of business , carry inside of my business and outside on the business property...including the parking lot .

The other thing I didn't know is Louisiana has a legal open carry law... I can open carry without any required permit , anyplace that doesn't prohibit firearms such as places that serve alcohol , court houses, voting places, schools and a few other places that prohibit the carrying of any firearm .
One local restaurant gives a 10% discount if you are open carrying !

After learning all the places I can legally carry ...it pretty much covers all the places I want to carry and do so legally without a permit .

Do some investigating into the laws in your state and you might be surprised to learn what you can do legally .
The allowance of open carry with no permit was news to me and I like it .
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What's amazing to me is that the LEO knew what the laws were, many don't.
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Oregon is complicated. Oregon is a Constitutional open carry state, but allows local governments to regulate carry. One county and several cities mandate the open carried gun be unloaded in their city limits. Some cities require unloaded carry in specific areas like parks. You can be legal open carrying a loaded gun on one side of the street and a felon on the other side of the street.

Oregon has a Concealed Handgun License. The law that created the license preempts local governments from regulating carry. Theoretically, you can have a Concealed Handgun License and open carry a loaded gun in counties or cities that ban open loaded carry. I would not trust a beat cop to know the law.

You also need to know the state, county, and city laws regarding carry of a knife.
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Check with your local law enforcement about the specific laws.
After being shot and robbed in my place of business a kind Police Lieutenant sat down and explained that I was responsible for protecting myself ... all they could do was come after the crime was committed and try and solve it.
He then went on to explain to me that in Louisiana , as a homeowner and business owner , that I can legally carry a concealed weapon with no permit required . I can legally do so inside my house , outside my house on my private property , from my house to my car and in my car . My car is considered an extension of my home .
I can drive to my place of business , carry inside of my business and outside on the business property...including the parking lot .

The other thing I didn't know is Louisiana has a legal open carry law... I can open carry without any required permit , anyplace that doesn't prohibit firearms such as places that serve alcohol , court houses, voting places, schools and a few other places that prohibit the carrying of any firearm .
One local restaurant gives a 10% discount if you are open carrying !

After learning all the places I can legally carry ...it pretty much covers all the places I want to carry and do so legally without a permit .

Do some investigating into the laws in your state and you might be surprised to learn what you can do legally .
The allowance of open carry with no permit was news to me and I like it .
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Afternoon. I am a 75 year old retired Master Sergeant who has had a CCW for over 20 years. In all that time I have never had to draw a weapon in anger or an emergency. The best advise I can give is to learn the local laws, check with the local law enforcement people to get a feeling on their thoughts on civilians carrying fire arms then above all keeping mind the responsibility you have when carrying a fire arm. Always remember that once the trigger is pulled you cannot recall the bullet no matter what you do. You have made a commitment that you will have to live with. You will have to take responsibility for your own actions and your life may be changed as a result. Having said that, May all your troubles be small ones and above all, Stay Safe !!
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"What makes the world better is God made a lot of good people. If someone is abusing your wife on the street, at least in the southern half of the nation, people are going to stop and assist." .[/QUOTE]

I can't speak for everyone in the northern half of the nation but I'd like to think most would help also.

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you may want to also check your other state laws like coming within so many feet of a school with a loaded firearm. there are other laws that may come into play.
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Constitutional (CCDW) Carry in Kentucky started this summer. I am still renewing my CCDW permit I have had for many years, since reciprocity becomes an issue when you travel.

I think we can still open carry also.
We can still open carry in Kentucky. I always CC, but have seen others do it. It doesn't get much attention in KY unless you are in one of the bigger cities.

Let's face it, in Kentucky it isn't too uncommon to see gun racks in truck windows still, and not just for hanging hats on.
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The police carry guns to protect themselves not us. They actually have no legal obligation to protect any individual. Sometimes you have to count on only yourself.


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