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This is a discussion on Who carries a "Mouse Gun" for CCW? within the CCW forums, part of the Firearm Forum category; Originally Posted by Doc Holliday Then you need a bazooka, so you should absolutely positively carry that. M79 and a satchel of 40mm Willie Pete. ...


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Old October 10th, 2019, 07:24 PM   #61
 
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Then you need a bazooka, so you should absolutely positively carry that.
M79 and a satchel of 40mm Willie Pete.
For "illumination" purposes only.
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Old October 10th, 2019, 07:35 PM   #62
 
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I carry a Beretta Bobcat 22LR some. Best to carry something.
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Living in Houston you have a choice of concealed and heat stroke some days, so the NAA 22Mag is in the pocket. Just the muzzle blast would make the perp think he was dead. Other days it's a Tomcat, a LCP, or like today a R51. I am looking for a way to conceal the 44 mag snubbie in my swim trunks, but I haven't found it.
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This J&J pocket holster conceals well in my back or front pockets.
Very nice!
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IF the stars aligned and I hit those Powerball odds to find myself in that situation, I will put 8 rounds of .32 on target, center mass. Got another 7 with a reload, if necessary. I bet the first time someone takes a shot back at the shooter he turns and burns. Or maybe I'll hear the shots and look around for the nearest emergency exit and just get out of there.

Now, what if two UFOs landed and Alien AND Predator jumped out, and Godzilla showed up too? Then you need a bazooka, so you should absolutely positively carry that. End of discussion. Anything less is completely inadequate and you. will. die. What if...what if...what if...but, what if...
I think you make my point. If your risk is low, then carry whatever you want or noth nowing at all. Personally, when not in law enforcement, I was faced with 2 robberies in restaurants . The first, I had a 25 Colt Pony in the hip, sitting with my date near the cash register. Guy walks in pulls out a revolver and robs the lady, I did not want to draw fire as I had a date inches away, so I just sit and let him walk. Local cops later told me he was debating whether to shoot me as a witness as well as the clerk. In a second case, I had a J frame 38 and walked to a restaurant, but they closed the door and locked me out as I tried to walk in. Four robbers, three armed with shotguns were robbing not only the cafe but all the patrons (Chi Chis, Feb 15, 1991, Baltimore, google it). Both times, I was smart enough to let them walk, however, as a witness, I could easily have been a victim. Where I live now, in the last 2 years there has been one person killed and 2 mangled for life (2 lost limbs) by pit bulls running loose. Just saying, depends on your risk. You may live in a quiet suburb where there is little risk. And you may have a bad guy that will stand still while you hit him 8 times with your 32. I worked in 4 law enforcement organizations during my life and many bad guys I met were so drugged or psyched they are not much intimated by handguns. I am sure you have seen the many videos of guys blowing off tasers, happens all the time. The question was does anybody carry mouse guns, why or why not? I am assuming you have never ever had a need for a CCW. Just my 2 cents. Not necessary to trash other folks opinions when you may not have the same experiences.

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This thread just shows we have different views of what a mouse gun is.
The minimum I'd want to be packing is a Shield in 9mm.
I'm 6 foot/195 pounds, and have no problem concealing a Shield with minimal clothing, jeans (or shorts) and a loose tail shirt. If you are 130 pounds and at the beach wearing a speedo, yes a Shield will be a bit big.
I've had Shields in all three calibers, and can shoot one of those way, way better than a micro .25 or .32, or a snubbie revolver for that matter.
Even a 9mm is 350 to 380 ft.lbs. of energy compared to a bit over a 100 in the little calibers.
Carry what you have confidence in. If you have confidence in a .25 or .32, that's what you'll buy and carry.
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This is all just opinion of course but a mouse gun to me is .32 ACP or less. Rimfire is too unreliable so that rules that out. .25ACP is too underpowered even though I have a lovely Colt vest pocket. So when I carry a mouser it is .32ACP and in my opinion the one that never fails to go bang is the Kel-Tec P32. Still available and not expensive. I carried for a long time with Fiochii 73 gr FMJ but have started to carry with Lehigh Xtreme defense 55 gr.that I load myself. I think this makes the mouser closer to a good .380 (or better) in potency without the recoil. Plus the Kel-Tec can carry 7+1 with a standard mag and 10+1 with the extended mag. I easily carry this in my pocket with a pocket holster.

I have been reloading the Xtreme defense bullets using True Blue powder and new Starline brass. .32 is just too much to pick up. For those that want to reload, the brass is fragile so be careful. Lehigh has the loading data on their website. My Extreme defense at 7 feet ran about 901 fps out of a P32. The Fiochii ran 790 or so.

I have many larger guns that I use too but I have to admit that the mouser is probably used more often that the big boys. I certainly would not want to get hit by one. Police forces in Europe probably carried .32ACP more than any other caliber so those that think it is not a well known caliber are wrong.
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Not necessary to trash other folks opinions when you may not have the same experiences.
Didn't 'trash' anything at all. No need for you to question my shooting skills, either. I have an opinion, too...in fact, I have a right to it.

U.S. Army Expert Rifle, by the way. No need for anyone or anything to stand still for me to hit it.
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Not Totally a Mouse Gun

My favorite CCW gun has become my S&W M&P Shield in .40 cal. It's very compact, feels great, and yet has a lot more stopping power than a .32 or .380.
Amazingly it doesn't kick that hard. Which is surprising considering its size.
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U.S. Army Expert Rifle, by the way. No need for anyone or anything to stand still for me to hit it.
Sup Army Rifle Expert/mouse gun buddy.

I carry a couple different micro .380's from time to time but I have to say I have severe doubts about that rounds ability to penetrate under less than ideal circumstances.

Will it go through a vicious pit bull's skull, for example? I saw pictures from a vets office somewhere around the net where a FMJ apparently deflected off the skull and went into other soft issue (or something along those lines) but didn't do tremendous damage or anything like that.

Will it provide penetration through a car door or other barrier? A youtuber did an experiment where Winchester PDX1 in .380 only succeeded 50% of the time... and I don't think they examined how much juice the ones that *did* go through still had.

Still, I know that few like having a gun pointed at them or shoved in their face. Fewer still like being shot or shot-at... and I think that pit bull mentioned earlier did end up running off even if it wasn't put down by the shot...

And jeez... more than anything. The micro .380 is such an easy platform to carry. A .7 inch wide 10 oz gun with a good IWB holster is basically invisible. Or drops into a pocket oh-so-easy too if that's how I'm feeling that day.
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While I never carry anything less than a .380 (AMT Backup that's 100% reliable), it's only because I don't own a .32 or .25. I think the AMT is about as small a gun as I can use with my fat fingers/hands. My preference is a Glock 26, however, so the AMT rarely gets out of the safe. That said, I don't think that in most cases I would feel under gunned with a .32 or even .25. True, they aren't exactly man stoppers, but I think in the vast majority of cases, the sound of a shot going off - any shot! - is going to send the average ill intentioned bad guy zipping down the street in the opposite direction. I carry the 9mm for those truly evil ones that have no intention of running. When out and about on my property, I open carry a .45 Auto. Being the type that plans for worst and hopes for best, I would rather carry my .45 all the time, but with 13 rounds it's just a bit heavy to be practical. And one day, when I've saved up enough pennies and dimes, I'm going to up grade that .45 to a 10mm!
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Who carries a "Mouse Gun" for CCW?

Hey Redleg,
I carry them regularly for CCW. Have plenty in larger calibers but I donít feel under armed carrying these little gems! And this from a retired LEO with 36+ years of service! Here are some of my favorites.
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Hey Redleg,
Posted too quickly and screwed up photos, then realized I didnít have enough post count for editing privileges! LOL!
So disregard the extra NAA CCH Mini and this is the correction.
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Beretta Tomcat in inox, great little semi-auto. Besides, most folks are startled by mice.
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