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Old February 21st, 2019, 05:40 PM   #46
 
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You did well, the guy was a jerk and ignorant at that. I am a retired prosecutor, who worked in 4 law enforcement agencies before I graduated law school at night. Leaving a loaded gun on a porch at a place where there is or was an intruder borders on stupid. If you file a complaint, be sure to point that out, luckily kids did not happen by and snatch it up. He could have put it in his pocket or locked it in his car if he was afraid of you, and that is the point, he was afraid of you having a gun. In this society where people are killing cops often, he has that right, but leaving it on a porch is dumb.

And remember, until the day before he completed his local police academy, he was a "wanna be cop".

There is no easy answer as cops have bias like everybody else, and related to where you live. A few years ago, I killed a deer in a place where you had to check the deer at a Sheriffs office. As I pulled in a deputy came to look at my deer. I informed him that I had a CCW and was armed. He said, "that is BS", I said, what, and he said, "nobody should need a damn permit to carry a gun". Just depends or where you are at.



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Old February 21st, 2019, 05:49 PM   #47
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"................................................. .................................................. .................. He said, "that is BS", I said, what, and he said, "nobody should need a damn permit to carry a gun". Just depends or where you are at.
Suspect he would be a good guy to go have a beer with (as opposed to E. Warren!)
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You should change your title to: "NOT EVERYONE IS PRO CCW". Where the hell do you think they recruit LEOs from? Are you under the mistaken impression that there is a sub-population of individuals who are born and raised to become LEOs?
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You should change your title to: "NOT EVERYONE IS PRO CCW". Where the hell do you think they recruit LEOs from? Are you under the mistaken impression that there is a sub-population of individuals who are born and raised to become LEOs?
This thread originated as an offshoot to another thread under the CCW forum about a fellow CCerís very positive experience when encountering LEOs while carrying. In my OP I tried to make the distinction that it doesnít always go as well as his experience. I hope that nothing Iíve laid out is construed as anti- law enforcement. To the contrary, Iím very pro law enforcement. A one-off incident will not color my perspective just like Iíd hope that when an otherwise responsible gun owner does something really stupid, the rest of the population doesnít condemn all gun owners.
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Four times; all fine

I got pulled over recently for headlight out.
I handled things as I should, including saying "I am CHL" right off the bat, and keeping my heads well up on the wheel.

LEO said he was happy for us CHL people to exercise our right in his jurisdiction, and he did not need to see CHL or firearm, just driver license. BTW: got just a warning on head light.

After that event, I reflected that this was the fourth time I have been pulled over while with CHL, and armed.

All have gone just fine. Two for headlight out, one for speeding, and one for a mistaken license plate read on the part of LEO that briefly caused some car-identity confusion.
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I had a great experience here in Virginia. The wife and I got our CC permits through our local Sheriff's dept. The cops who taught the class were great and we went to their range to shoot as part of the "qualifying", I had two of them tell me man can you shoot! They said that they treat every single person they pull over as if they are armed and are happy when people get their CC permits.
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I've always support LEOs and have trained with many in martial arts and with firearms. Most were great guys out of uniform however I believe some are more than a little Badge Heavy once the uniform goes on. I'm thankful for body cams and dash cams today because they are helping to expose those who need additional training. Somewhere along the way LEO have lost sight of their job to Serve and Protect. It is far too common to see them behaving like it's them against the citizen. That officer has Zero right or authority to lecture about practicing you legal, constitution and God given right to self preservation! Police do not prevent violence they show up after the fact to write the report. Since video we also see they instigate the violence far too often and sometimes they commit out right murder. So who protects us from them?
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The LEO leadership in Texas are all mostly 100% against Constitutional Carry or LTC (License to Carry) based on the comments that I have heard in many Texas Legislative Hearings.
That is because the only LEO leadership that gets publicity is what the Left Wing Media wants you to see.

As to the LEO rank and file, I have been in contact with officers from different agencies for various reasons including three times at my home. I always let them know I am carrying and have never had a negative reaction.
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The idea a citizen has to yield their rights to whims of the people hired to protect us is absurd. They're accountable to us. Not the other way around. Too many LEOs use their firearms to intimidate and enforce compliance under the guise of their safety. What about my safety? I have the right to remain armed and if that makes them uncomfortable maybe they're in the wrong line of work. Armed law abiding citizens are not threats despite what they told them in cop school.

For the record I'm not anti-cop. We need cops and I respect what they do but they don't get to use force and the color of authority to intimidate us.
I agree with you 100%.

As a practical matter, however, if a police officer tells me to drop my gun, Iíll do that rather than risk getting in a gun battle. If I feel it was inappropriate, Iíll make a complaint with the department. Later.


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If I get stopped I roll my window down get my Drivers license and LTC out have them in my left hand with both hands on the steering wheel and wait for instructions. I don't say a word unless I need to.
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I completely understand his concern for having me unarmed during the visit Ė he didnít know me or anything about me.
Copied from Joe past (#1)

He should have known quite a bit about you.

You are law abiding, went thru FBI check and a few more good things..
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I completely understand his concern for having me unarmed during the visit ó he didnít know me or anything about me.
Copied from Joe past (#1)

He should have known quite a bit about you.

You are law abiding, went thru FBI check and a few more good things..
I dont recall seeing how long ago this was but a written report to the sargeant and capt are in order. You didnt need a lecture.
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As a practical matter, however, if a police officer tells me to drop my gun, Iíll do that rather than risk getting in a gun battle. If I feel it was inappropriate, Iíll make a complaint with the department. Later.


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My experience with LEO and concealed carry are at zero & I hope it stays that way. At the same time, back in the bad old days when I lived in LA, most of my contact with LEO's was at the range I practically lived at. Nice guys and all but generally speaking, they couldn't shoot their way out of the proverbial wet paper sack! While plinking with my .22 one evening the cop next to me was cursing his nice shiny .357 (he was probably shooting .38's... this was kinda back in the stone age!) not being able to hit s!!it. I happened to pull my target back at that time and there in middle of my .22 holes was a decent group of .38 cal. holes. I leaned over and said, "Nice group, just a bit left tho!" and showed him my target. (Ok, yes, I suppose that's normal in CA!) I called our rangemaster, Jerry, to help him adjust his sights and he finally stopped shooting my target and was actually surprised at how well he was doing (so was I!). Jerry, by the, is the one that got me into combat shooting, so a huge "Thanks!" Jerry, wherever you might be. I left a LOT of lead at that range!
Since then I've learned that cops are just regular people who sometimes have differing opinions on things, just like normal people. Always treat them with civility and hope for the best. If things work out, then you can be nice to them!
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[QUOTE=rdfry;4279631]If I get stopped I roll my window down get my Drivers license and LTC out have them in my left hand with both hands on the steering wheel and wait for instructions. I don't say a word unless I need to.[/QUOTE

+1. Good way to handle it. When I made traffic stops and was informed the driver was armed, I would instruct him to keep his hands on the steering wheel and inform me where the weapons was in the vehicle. During my initial contact with the driver a backup unit would arrive and I would have them watch the driver while I ran a license and wants/warrants check. If the license was ok and there were no outstanding warrants on the driver I would either issue a citation for violation or if it was something minor, a verbal warning. I felt it was safer to have the driver leave the weapon where it was rather that handling it. Out dispatchers were very good about running the vehicle tag we gave and would advise us if there was anything suspicious or wants on the tag or owner before we made the stop.
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