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Old August 25th, 2018, 01:17 PM   #16
 
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In NC it goes like this.

1 yard Line - 8 Rounds
one round in 2 seconds from the ready position.
Fire one round in 2 seconds from the ready position.
Fire one round in 4 seconds from the presentation.
Fire one round in 4 seconds from the presentation.
Fire two rounds in 6 seconds from the presentation.
Fire two rounds in 6 seconds from the presentation.

Three (3) Yards Line - 10 Rounds

Fire one round in 3 seconds from the ready position.
Fire one round in 3 seconds from the ready position.
Fire two rounds in 4 seconds from the ready position.
Fire two rounds in 4 seconds from the ready position.
Fire two rounds in 7 seconds from the presentation.
Fire two rounds in 7 seconds from the presentation.
Five (5) Yard Line - 10 Rounds

Fire one round in 4 seconds from the ready position.
Fire one rounds in 8 seconds from the ready position.
Fire one round in 4 seconds from the ready position.
Fire four rounds in 8 seconds from the ready position.

Seven (7) Yard Line - 12 Rounds

Fire three rounds in 7 seconds from the ready position.
Fire two rounds in 8 seconds from the presentation.
Fire three rounds in 7 seconds from the ready position.
Fire two rounds in 8 seconds from the presentation.
Fire one round in 4 seconds from the ready position.
Fire one round in 6 seconds from the presentation.

The shooter must hit the target a minimum of 28 times.



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What state are you in? Every state has different requirements. Michigan has five shots in an 8 1/2 X 11 sheet of paper, no time requirement.
This is not correct. I teach the NRA PPITH course, it meets/exceeds state requirments. Here is a summary of Mi law/requirements.
State Law:

(1) A pistol training or safety program described in section 5b(7)(c) meets the requirements for knowledge or training in the safe use and handling of a pistol only if the program consists of not less than 8 hours of instruction and all of the following conditions are met:

(a) The program is certified by this state or a national or state firearms training organization and provides 5 hours of instruction in, but is not limited to providing instruction in, all of the following:

(i) The safe storage, use, and handling of a pistol including, but not limited to, safe storage, use, and handling to protect child safety.

(ii) Ammunition knowledge, and the fundamentals of pistol shooting.

(iii) Pistol shooting positions.

(iv) Firearms and the law, including civil liability issues and the use of deadly force. This portion shall be taught by an attorney or an individual trained in the use of deadly force.

(v) Avoiding criminal attack and controlling a violent confrontation.

(vi) All laws that apply to carrying a concealed pistol in this state.

(b) The program provides at least 3 hours of instruction on a firing range and requires firing at least 30 rounds of ammunition.

(c) The program provides a certificate of completion that states the program complies with the requirements of this section and that the individual successfully completed the course, and that contains the printed name and signature of the course instructor. Not later than October 1, 2004, the certificate of completion shall contain the statement, “This course complies with section 5j of 1927 PA 372.”

(d) The instructor of the course is certified by this state or a national organization to teach the 8-hour pistol safety training course described in this section.

(2) A person shall not do either of the following:

(a) Grant a certificate of completion described under subsection (1)(c) to an individual knowing the individual did not satisfactorily complete the course.

(b) Present a certificate of completion described under subsection (1)(c) to a concealed weapon licensing board knowing that the individual did not satisfactorily complete the course.

(3) A person who violates subsection (2) is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.

(4) A concealed weapons licensing board shall not require that a specific form, color, wording, or other content appear on a certificate of completion, except as provided in subsection (5), and shall accept as valid a certificate of completion issued prior to the effective date of the amendatory act that added this subsection that contains an inaccurate reference or no reference to this section but otherwise complies with this section.

(5) Beginning October 1, 2004, a concealed weapons licensing board shall require that a certificate of completion contain the statement, “This course complies with section 5j of 1927 PA 372.”.
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That is pretty straight forward if you decide to train with a certified MCOLES instructor.
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The NRA PPITH Course requires 98 rounds of ammunition
Here is the MINIMUM Course of Fire
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For the shooting requirement to get your conceal carry permit how fast do you have to fire. The wife is concerned she cant shoot fast enough. I cant imagine them making you empty your magazine like Jerry Miculek.

Edit: I am from IL. I know its 21 of 30 shots on a b-27 target.
Madiganistan huh? Me too unfortunately

It's been changed to 21 hits within the 7 ring of a B-27 out of 30: 10 from 5 yds, 10 from 7yds, and 10 from 10 yds.

I've never had a student fail their 1st attempt, but then we shoot a lot in my classes

How long? Hmmm... all day if they pay me by the hour!

Seriously there's no timer, nor do you have to shoot without resting between shots or strings, so no pressure.

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I just took my CCW a couple months ago in central IL. There was no time frame mentioned during my class. They do have you shoot at 3 different distances, 10 shots at each. We had a practice shoot the first day and the qualifying shoot the second day. I did much better on the practice shoot, I shot quickly. Then took my time on the qualifying shoot, too much time. I've shot quite a bit since I took the class and always do much better if I shoot as soon as I get on target. Be ware there is a 3 to 4 month wait to get the permit after you send in the paper work.
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When I lived in MS I took the enhanced carry class which had a 50 shot course of fire at 3 and 7 yards. The hard part was you had to 10 shots at 3 and 7 with the weak hand. I had never really done that before so it was different. Once you get the sight line it’s not bad. I am a both eyes open shooter which probably helped some. Some folks would try using the setting side eye and had to work to adjust.

It was actually a great class. I took it since I lived a block from the university and it was 5 miles to drive around if I was carrying. Once I had the enchanted carry I could just motor through.
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A good friend took a certified class in IL just last year. He said it was pretty much a joke. Kind of pay your fee and you'll pass. His Niece barely knew which end to hold and shot a Ruger Standard that probably hadn't been cleaned since it was bought. It malfunctioned every other round and the "Instructor" cleared it for her. The Range was 21 feet. 10 shots.
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A good friend took a certified class in IL just last year. He said it was pretty much a joke. Kind of pay your fee and you'll pass. His Niece barely knew which end to hold and shot a Ruger Standard that probably hadn't been cleaned since it was bought. It malfunctioned every other round and the "Instructor" cleared it for her. The Range was 21 feet. 10 shots.
I would say that is not the place to go...

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Interesting, I would almost expect a state like Illinois to have requirements so strict it would be almost impossible to pass to try to discourage concealed carry.


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Used to be a joke in Virginia, when I qualified: shoot paper at 20 or so feet. The instructors helped the clueless until they got enough hits. I hope that has changed since the early 2000s when I first got my license.

I'd like to make all CCW folk holster qualify with the gun they plan to carry and the holster they'll use. A gun is nothing but a liability unless you can quickly and effectively bring it to bear on a foe.

My range is much better than the stupid one where I took my class. You cannot draw from a holster until you pay $40 for a holster qual class.
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Over breakfast this morning my wife proclaimed that we were going shooting today (dont have to twist my arm) upon arriving she saw a sig p320. She just had to try it. She has never shot better and I dont think ive ever seen her have as much fun either.

Needless to say we ordered one on our way out.

She is definitely more excited for our upcoming course.

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In Colorado there is firing but no time limits and the test I took it was 2-3 shots. Draw, fire 2 rounds at target, check for threat then holster. No penalty for not hitting the target as some in my group didn't, even from 5-7 paces.
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In Colorado there is firing but no time limits and the test I took it was 2-3 shots. Draw, fire 2 rounds at target, check for threat then holster. No penalty for not hitting the target as some in my group didn't, even from 5-7 paces.
Have things changed? To the best of my knowledge, CO has no range time requirement. NRA course/instructors do, though.
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Indiana is "Shall the issue" and don't require shooting qualification. Fill out the paperwork, get finger printed, pay your money and receive a lifetime Conceal carry license for about $125..
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