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Old December 7th, 2018, 01:35 PM   #31
 
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I used to live in upstate NY and we had quite a few copperheads.

They smell like cucumbers so when I got a whiff I'd stop dead in my tracks and look at the leaves to determine wind direction so I could slowly back out.

Our copperheads were lazy and could hide on top of the fall leaves and were almost impossible to see.



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Old December 7th, 2018, 03:51 PM   #32
 
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my view

we don't have many venomous snakes in my neighborhood, however if any do get in the yard, they are going to get a load of the newer cci shot loads loaded with #4 shot, they make it in a few calibers, I have a mag loaded for my ec9 and RAP and a speed loader for my sp101, whatever is at hand is going to be used on the offender. just my 2 cents.
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I would have dropped the running lawnmower on him, turned him into mulch and saved the ammo for another day
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No vipers near us here........or so I am told. The water snakes and others do a decent job of keeping the rodents at bay. Wish they would take out the squirrels, raccoons and woodchucks though.
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Rattlers are around my area here in Northern VA; I've seen one or two even. Never had a need to shoot one yet. My neighbor certainly has though.

After my dog nearly stepped on a big garter, I've either carried my LCR with shotshell or my Kimber Micro 9....Don't think I'll need it ever, and don't really want to; snakes gross me out on a deeper level, but they're God's creatures too. So I try to not kill unless I see a rattler or poisonous one around, on account of the young families that have been moving on to this mountain lately..but even then I'd prefer to just avoid them if I can help it.

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Good shoot. Poisonous snakes are not to be toyed with.
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When I was growing up in rural Florida, It seems all we saw were Eastern Diamondback rattlers and Water Moccasins.
The Moccasins were mostly dull charcoal grey. Now, it seems that large immature ones are colored very similarly to harmless water snakes. Perhaps they always were, and we just didn't know it. Almost indistinguishable, except possibly to a real expert!

If I lived in Florida again, I believe I would shoot ANY snake that even resembled one of the venemous ones. I would never go anywhere around woods or waterways without a pair of snake leggings, and carry a revolver with two snake shot handloads or Speer snake shot cartridges first and second up in the cylinder. Then powerful SD rounds as back-up.

In my present home State, it is illegal to kill a rattlesnake unless it is getting ready to bite you!
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When I was living in Missouri I got to know rattlers pretty well. Here, where I summer in Michigan all we might have is Massaugas which aren’t very poisonous.Lt so f black snakes and blue racers,,,The racers are beautiful snakes.

Two years ago a black snake about 4 feet long can out from under the freezer in my workshop..I let him be. That year I had no mice in my workshop,, I hope he will return.
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When I was growing up in rural Florida, It seems all we saw were Eastern Diamondback rattlers and Water Moccasins.
The Moccasins were mostly dull charcoal grey. Now, it seems that large immature ones are colored very similarly to harmless water snakes. Perhaps they always were, and we just didn't know it. Almost indistinguishable, except possibly to a real expert!

If I lived in Florida again, I believe I would shoot ANY snake that even resembled one of the venemous ones. I would never go anywhere around woods or waterways without a pair of snake leggings, and carry a revolver with two snake shot handloads or Speer snake shot cartridges first and second up in the cylinder. Then powerful SD rounds as back-up.

In my present home State, it is illegal to kill a rattlesnake unless it is getting ready to bite you!
When you're close enough to see one it's getting ready to strike in my book!
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Copperheads here are very aggressive. They will even come at you.
Our black Timber Rattlers also have a severe attitude problem and will come after you.
Were the yellow Eastern Diamond back rattlers will mostly try and get away.
EXCEPT, in dog days. They will stand their ground and not move or rattle.
So you better hope you see them before they see you.

One time about 1987 I was out helping a guy cruize a block of timber. I had my Ruger single six with 22 mag in. I got into a rocky area and seen a big brown rattlesnake. It was dog days. So I shot it. About the time the gun went bang, rattlesnakes started slithering everywhere. I jumped up on a big rock and watched snakes everywhere. I realized I musta walked right into a snake den. I jumped rock to rock for as far as I could which was about 50 feet in the same direction I came in. Then carefully got the heck outta there.

Ive killed several copperheads. Most grown are about 3 foot max here.

I killed three, caught while fishing at night in Kinzu Dam.
I guess two musta tried to grab my walleye rapala. ?
They had to be terminated to get the hooks out, and boy were they mad.

One time these little kids came walking down to talk to Dad & I and they had an empty 2 liter pop bottle with a little, maybe 10 inch copperhead in it. I cant believe none of them were bit. The parents looked like the dope crowd hippy type, said they were from Buffalo NY. We told them about the snakes, they brushed it off totally. I took the pop bottle off the kids and chucked it in the river with a rock taped to it. I still cant believe they didnt get bit.

It sure made me think twice about walking around , and especially sitting on the shore line at night fishing up there. Apparently, they have a pretty good copperhead population.

I killed a 47' inch minus the head, while fishing. The ONLY reason I bothered measuring it was since it was so big. Thats a REALLY BIG copperhead IMO.
Like I said, most we see are 30 to 36 inches.

For some weird reason,, when we were young in the 1970's, rattlers and copperheads were only seen in specific remote area's. And we knew WHERE those area's were at and avoided them.
Now, it seems like they are turning up in weird populated area's where we never seen them before.
And yeah, we kill them. IMO, We seen alot of this due to gas and coal companys running heavy equipment in those remote area's. It seems to drive the snakes out.

Poisonous snakes may have their place, but its NOT around human populated area's. And its NOT around me.
Common water snakes are, more often than not, misidentified as copperheads because of their coloring pattern(although darker than copperheads) and their aggressive nature when cornered. They flatten out and their head appears triangular like a viper and strike aggressively although totally harmless. If you're seeing them around the water in large numbers they are probably common "matrix" water snakes. I used to catch them and keep them as pets when I was a kid. I got bitten dozens of times drawing blood but never so much as an infection from it. The first pic is a common water snake, the second a copperhead and the third a comparison between a very red water snake and a copperhead.
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Yesterrday, mowing the front pasture: Bushhog - 1, Snake - 0
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No water snakes here on the farm, but it's good to be reminded to look twice. A few of our very big Garter snakes might look like a Copperhead to the uninitiated. Meanwhile, I've shot my fourth Copperhead, right by the house, last week. Bad year here. A fifth one, uncaught, bit one of our livestock dogs and put her right in the vet, though she made a good recovery. I figure it got her when she was resting in the dog run after dark, because she is very leery of snakes.

As for the numbers of reptiles, my theory is that the April freeze that kills so many early-emerging snakes did not come this year. We did have an overnight freeze in late March, after weather warm enough to bring out a few black snakes.

In years with lots of black snakes, the Copperheads get scarce, so I never kill a rat snake or black racer. They are doing their jobs and eating mice, too.

One note on shooting them: the CCI snake-shot cartridges are not working well in short-barrel guns, either .38 or .357. Usually after a single shot the gun will lock up. The plastic capsules jump from recoil. Easy to push back in but not good if you need a second shot, pronto.

No issues in my longer-barrel GP 100. I've developed my own handload snake shot that I'm still testing on paper at 15 feet, which seems the magic distance for seeing Copperheads, day or night.

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