Thanks for your input. It's funny that you mentioned the S&W SD9VE because I looked at one today along with the SR9. The SD is a very nice pistol and it felt great in my hand. Now I'm more confused than ever. I own an M&P22 pistol as well as a Ruger SR22. To be honest I bought the M&P22 on impulse just before Christmas and I've never fired it. At that time I was trying to decide between it and the SR22. I walked into my LGS shortly after I bought the M&P and the SR22 was on sale for $279 so I brought it home as well. I shoot it a lot and I love it. Both the SR9 and the SD9VE are impressive. Maybe I should sell the M&P22 and get one of the 9's. Like I said I want it for a range gun and home defense. I have a Taurus PT111 Millennium G2 that use as my EDC and I love it. If you have any more thought about the SD9VE I would be interested. Thanks, Jim