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Old July 4th, 2013, 07:17 PM   #1
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Lipsey's SBH Model 0818 - Huh?

Another one sold today on GunBroker:

RARE Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley .44 Mag NIB : Revolvers at GunBroker.com

This one went for $950 - which was the minimum price. With shipping and transfer buyer will have around $1K in this and yet the MSRP is $795. This is the second one I've watched sell for around/over $1K so what gives? Is there something about these I don't know? They're a current model, even can be seen on Ruger's website as a distributor exclusive so I assume Lipsey's will have hundreds (thousands?) made.

Any insight out there?



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Another one sold today on GunBroker:

The MSRP is $795. This is the second one I've watched sell for around/over $1K so what gives? Is there something about these I don't know? They're a current model, even can be seen on Ruger's website as a distributor exclusive so I assume Lipsey's will have hundreds (thousands?) made.

Any insight out there?
Pssssst! (Whispering).. Don't tell nobody... Maybe they're being bought up by the ones who voted Zero in... You know, silently trying to atone for their sins...
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Hey DougGuy - You're up kinda late! Just baffled why anybody would think one of these is "rare" or pay such a premium.
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I don't know but I see this kind of stuff on different gun sale sites. Pretty much anything that's a Talo or a Lipsey or no longer made (even if they are downright common) are advertised as "RARE" "HARD TO FIND" "COLLECTOR'S PIECE" and all kinds of crazy things to try and sucker some uninformed individual into buying something they probably think will be worth even more next month.

Ever since the crazy hit people have been advertising everything from exaggerations to downright malicious lies to justify the crazy price they are charging. Now there are some out there that are rare and new like the Wiley Clapp GP100 just because they are only making 2000 and people are jockeying to get one. However since they are releasing them a little at a time it's not that hard to find them and, at the moment, are only bringing the premium placed on them by Talo. Once those 2000 have been sold I think you'll see the price go up a bit initially and then more as time goes on.

I just think some people are still twitchy about guns being banned and are more likely to pay extra for a gun they perceive as being rare or investment quality. I've seen plenty of "creative" advertising when it comes to guns and it seems there are people who are willing to throw down and pay the inflated costs.
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I don't know but I see this kind of stuff on different gun sale sites. Pretty much anything that's a Talo or a Lipsey or no longer made (even if they are downright common) are advertised as "RARE" "HARD TO FIND" "COLLECTOR'S PIECE" and all kinds of crazy things to try and sucker some uninformed individual into buying something they probably think will be worth even more next month.

Ever since the crazy hit people have been advertising everything from exaggerations to downright malicious lies to justify the crazy price they are charging. Now there are some out there that are rare and new like the Wiley Clapp GP100 just because they are only making 2000 and people are jockeying to get one. However since they are releasing them a little at a time it's not that hard to find them and, at the moment, are only bringing the premium placed on them by Talo. Once those 2000 have been sold I think you'll see the price go up a bit initially and then more as time goes on.

I just think some people are still twitchy about guns being banned and are more likely to pay extra for a gun they perceive as being rare or investment quality. I've seen plenty of "creative" advertising when it comes to guns and it seems there are people who are willing to throw down and pay the inflated costs.
You have a point Brandi - I see the word "rare" used very loosely for sure. I don't think there's much out there that's truly rare and I like the word "uncommon" much better. I would even hesitate to use the word rare for runs of 2,000 or 2,500 guns. Reputable collector sourcebooks seem to reserve the word "rare" for instances of very few known examples. I may have a suspicious nature but I wonder if TALO or Lipsey's wouldn't at some point order up another batch of "special edition" guns that were really successful. At least with the WC 1752 and 1753 they went on record to say how many they will sell. Kinda hard to hold them accountable to it though since they're not numbered or have a special serial number sequence.

This Lipsey's 0818 SBH Bisley does seem a bit hard to locate and not many appear on GunBroker. It seems when they do the prices are loopy and that got me wondering if there was some "buzz" out there about them that I hadn't heard. Might just be folks with little good sense and too much money buying them.
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Be careful gwasshoppa what you write LOL nest week one of the guys who bought one will be in here joinin' up
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Be careful gwasshoppa what you write LOL nest week one of the guys who bought one will be in here joinin' up
Sorry - didn't mean to sound harsh to the buyers out there. I suppose if you want one badly enough a thousand bucks for a new SBH is OK........ (there - does that soften up my statements? I could have quoted Proverbs "A fool and his money is soon parted" but did not.)

Hey maybe one of these guys can explain the value to me. Maybe they only made 50 of them or something. Would like to know and then I will gladly retract my previous statements.

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Waveform, The answer is very simple ... wealth. If you are independently wealthy, what's a couple hundred bucks when you really want a specific model. Of course dealers and auction sites play into this issue full bore.

When I had my shop, there were several times when people had custom work done that far exceeded the cost or value of their gun. In one such case, a customer had me order a new blued 44 Mag Ruger SBH for him. When he came to pay for it, he told me he wanted the whole gun "blue printed". This means having perfect cylinder-to-bore alignment, .006" headspace, .002" B/C gap, virtually zero endshake, rock solid lockup, the bore polished, cylinders throated, the forcing cone chamfered and polished ... plus he wanted a free spin pawl and the action at a crisp 2 lb trigger pull and genuine stag grip installed. Further, he wanted a high polish blued finish. He hadn't even fired the gun yet. "Can you do it?" "Yes I can but it will be very expensive." He didn't bat an eye "just do it". Later when I finished the job, he came to pick it up. I felt guilty because the bill was very high. As I tried to justify how I had to remove the barrel and do other very labor intensive tasks ... he interrupted me ... "How much?" I told him $850 (not counting the $450 he had already paid for the gun). He whipped out his credit card, signed the slip, said thanks and away he went. Obviously he was happy with the job I did on his Ruger because about 6 months later, he showed up with a Colt SAA that was made in 1900 ... lots of wear, some pitting, and the grips were broken. "I want this Colt to look exactly like it did when it left the factory". He paid $1500 for the Colt and another $600 to me to restore it. Fact is, restoring the Colt probably lowered the collector value but he didn't care ... "just do it." I guess the point is ... to a person like this, it was pocket change.

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I guess the point is ... to a person like this, it was pocket change.
You are exactly right. In my line of work I often deal with people who will plunk down what seem like exorbitant amounts of money for non-essential things. I'm surprised until I realize how relatively insignificant the expenditure is compared to everything else these people have going on. These are the guys who buy the dazzlingly expensive European double rifles and shotguns that the rest of us only look at with wonder.

BTW, I would love to see pictures of some of the work you mentioned above.
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Man, I hope that puppy is rare because to me it is one fugly gun.
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I'd be very surprised if there are "thousands" available. Those "specials" are usually run off in relatively small numbers. Also, note that the MSRP is essentially the same as the "standard" Supers. Those liking something just a little different wouldn't hesitate to pay for this thing.

That said, the "rare" description is a bit misleading . . . "scarce" might be more appropriate. Many don't understand the difference between these two qualities.

IOWEGAN's commentary certainly applies, and you must consider the "gotta have it" factor that is quite prevalent in the gun hobby.

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Thanks for the comments. What I've also noticed is the TALO version of the same SBH that has the standard plow handle does not seem to be garnering the same premium prices the Bisley version does so I guess there is the Bisley factor at work here.
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Yeah . . . and also the fact that we're a fickle, obstinate, hard-to-please bunch.

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