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Old April 7th, 2013, 07:36 AM   #1
 
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Bearcat storekeeper

I just picked up one of these beauties yesterday and I'm headin' out to the boonies later to give it a try. Pics later.



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I just picked up one of these beauties yesterday and I'm headin' out to the boonies later to give it a try. Pics later.
Congrats! Hope you got a good one without some of the issues a few of us have had to deal with. Mine is supposed to arrive back from Ruger this week. Nice little gun - enjoy!
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Waveform, you know this is starting to look like Ruger is learning from Microsoft. They put something out there, then they look and listen, and they let the public first pay for their product, then troubleshoot, guinea pig, and debug it all for free. We pay them to beta test their crap...

Ruger I am sure reads these forums, and the pluses as well as the complaints are the same on our forum as they are over at the .com forum, the firing line, cast boolits, and a handful of others. They know that they can come in here and read what customers' experiences are, and they can gauge how well their products are holding up not only by what gets sent back, but also what people don't bitch about.

Nobody gets an RMA and then proceeds to tell Ruger how well their gun works, what they like or dislike about it, or provide positive comments on stuff they do at the factory, they only get an RMA when something breaks.

They know we do PMTJ's with the springs, they know Midway sells a ton of spring kits, they know we are onto the cylinder throat diameter upsetting accuracy, and until it becomes a safety issue or a wide spread dissatisfaction issue, that they don't have to change it.

This coin has two sides as well for us, usually with a little tweaking or cleaning up of parts, we can have a better shooting gun than what we bought new, and I will never bitch about having to do a little work to mine to have a better shooter.
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Waveform, you know this is starting to look like Ruger is learning from Microsoft. They put something out there, then they look and listen, and they let the public first pay for their product, then troubleshoot, guinea pig, and debug it all for free. We pay them to beta test their crap...

Ruger I am sure reads these forums, and the pluses as well as the complaints are the same on our forum as they are over at the .com forum, the firing line, cast boolits, and a handful of others. They know that they can come in here and read what customers' experiences are, and they can gauge how well their products are holding up not only by what gets sent back, but also what people don't bitch about.

Nobody gets an RMA and then proceeds to tell Ruger how well their gun works, what they like or dislike about it, or provide positive comments on stuff they do at the factory, they only get an RMA when something breaks.

They know we do PMTJ's with the springs, they know Midway sells a ton of spring kits, they know we are onto the cylinder throat diameter upsetting accuracy, and until it becomes a safety issue or a wide spread dissatisfaction issue, that they don't have to change it.

This coin has two sides as well for us, usually with a little tweaking or cleaning up of parts, we can have a better shooting gun than what we bought new, and I will never bitch about having to do a little work to mine to have a better shooter.
Hi Doug - I hope Ruger hasn't really adopted the Microsoft philosophy and these Shopkeeper issues are an anomoly. I've bought a number of new Rugers over the past 18 months or so and I've been happy with all of them function-wise until the Shopkeeper, and I still have confidence Ruger will fix the problems.

Ruger makes good quality products at reasonable prices but they aren't a custom shop so I don't have extremely high standards in regards to fit and finish. But I won't let them pass on a canted barrel or a gun that jams up. I enjoy fiddling with triggers and changing out springs too so I like to think I can soup up the action a bit and I enjoy that. I think Ruger usually hits the sweet spot in terms of quality versus price and I'm still a big fan of the brand.

You make a good point - we rarely pass along the compliments when we are happy with a new gun but we sure are quick to voice our gripes!

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Both of my stainless Bearcats were great out of the box, once I replaced the aluminum ejector housings with EWK's SS ones. The Shopkeeper's is already stainless steel, so Ruger finally got that right.

With both of my LCRs needing replacement, I'm beginning to think I'm helping to Beta test those.

The .22 replacement is fine, and I've found no reason to think the 357 won't be okay. It was just returned for a seized screw anyway. It hasn't been to the range yet.
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Congratulations on your new Bearcat.
Hope yours is trouble free.
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My first range outing with the Storekeeper was a frustrating bust. I experienced all the reported problems; difficulty ejecting spent cases, occasional locking up of the action, several missfires and finally sights that were poorly regulated( point of impact 4" right at 50 feet. It took some extreme self control to keep from throwing the darned thing at the target but it's so cute that would be like kicking a puppy.

I only had two varieties of ammo with me. The Remington "Golden Bullet" and some bottom feeder Winchester Wildcat. Both suffered from the difficult ejection but the Wildcat was the worst.

After I returned home and cooled down a bit I looked it over thoroughly and noticed that the chambers were both very tight and rough as a cob. New rounds would not drop in, they had to be pushed with moderate forced. A few minutes spent polishing the chambers allowed the fresh rounds to drop in easily and drop out when the cylinder was inverted.

A quick trip to the boonies for a try-out left me smiling; no lock up at all and the Remington empties ejected with little struggle but there is a little "secret" to punching them out; as you stroke the ejector rod rotate the cylinder slightly to allow the rod to bear on the side of the chamber so the tip contacts the rim of the case mouth. This technique effectively gives a little extra "length" to the ejector rod and the empties pop out easily. Unfortunately the Winchester Wildcat still presented difficulty ejecting. Most .22 handguns simply refuse to digest certain varieties of ammo. For example my Smith K-22 simply will not eject Wolf Match ammo without pounding on the ejector rod.

I shot about 75 rounds of the Golden Bullet ammo with out lock up or ejection problems. Sadly I did have one failure to ignite but this particular lot of ammo has produced a few duds with other firearms.

I did take special care to make sure the rounds were fully seated, pressing lightly with my little finger to prevent the case heads from potentially causing cylinder lock up. There may well be a clearance problem between the back side of the cylinder and the recoil shield that is causing this occasional lock up or it could just be tight/rough chamber walls.

I thought the cocking action was too heavy but this may smooth out with use. I would be reluctant to lighten the mainspring in view of the occasional failures to fire.

Other observations were a heavy trigger pull at 5+ pounds. "Boosting" the hammer while pulling the trigger a few times performed a minor miracle by removins a little creep and lowering the pull to an acceptable 4 pounds. A five pound pull on a weapon this light is not conducive to good results on target. Point of impact so far to the right is a P.I.A. no doubt. My solution wil be to install a dovetailed windage adjustable front sight. I have had to resort to this remedy on several single actions and prefer it to rotating the barrel or bending the front sight.

Gtanted, my solution to the ejection and lock up problems can be considered nothing more than "work arounds" but the results are that I'm happy with the little revolvers performance now. This little beauty is a total gas to shoot and despite the P.O.I. issue it is quite accurate on paper delivering nice groups without flyers.
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Glad you were able to sort it with minimal fuss.

I think the hard to eject is just the nature of the beast with the short ejector rod. I was able to develop a method to get them to eject most of the time. Difficult ones can be nudged using the method you described of catching the edge of the case. Polishing the chambers may help even more.
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I just got the shopkeeper the other day will try it Sat. hope it all is well.
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. . . . . It took some extreme self control to keep from throwing the darned thing at the target but it's so cute that would be like kicking a puppy. . . . . . . .
Good line. They are kinda cute little things. Glad to read you figured out and resolved the tight, rough chambers and got your new "puppy" shooting smoothly. I'd be interested in knowing exactly what are, and how you install the "adjustable windage dove tail front sights" you mention.

Thanks for the excellent range report and write-up. I'll bet when you get some decent ammo it will help immensely.
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Simple math told me that ejection would be an issue. Not understanding everyone jumping at a slighly cuter Bearcat than the standard model, with an issue built-in.

My barrels are a whole inch longer (wow?) and the butts are square, but I'm quite happy pushing my empties out with the greatest of ease.
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Quiet 1;
The dovetail front sight is actually pretty simple if you're good with a file(or have a mill). I use a 60 degree dovetail file I bought from Brownells

With care and lots of patience a dovetail slot can be cut in the barrel after removing the stock sight. I purchased an assortment of muzzleloading rifle front sights from Dixie Gunworks and chose an appropriate style for installation in the new slot. Once at the range the new sight blade can be filed down to set the elevation(always start with a higher than needed blade). If I remember correctly the stock Bearcat sight is about .233 tall.
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Windage is regulated by drifting the front sight in the dovetail slot

This task is a perfect example of the "DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME" disclaimer unless you're an ace with a file. The best course is to have a skilled gunsmith/machinist do the job. It's an easy task for an experienced man with a mill and the proper cutter. I'd guess a typical cost for the job including the new front sight would be $125-$175.

As mentioned I've done this mod on several single actions and it's really worthwhile if you're up against the common S.A. problems of poor sight regulation.
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The dovetail front sight is actually pretty simple if you're good with a file . . . . . . . care and lots of patience a dovetail slot can be cut in the barrel after removing the stock sight. . . . . . . a perfect example of the "DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME" disclaimer unless you're an ace with a file. . . . . . . . .
Thanks Jack for the detailed explanation. Very interesting, and I'm sure effective, approach to solving a problem. It does sound several pay grades above my skill level. At least I'm smart enough, usually, to know what projects I should and, more importantly, should not attempt with my limited skills and low threshold of patience.

Thanks again for the explanation.
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