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Old March 17th, 2013, 05:39 PM   #1
 
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hunting revolver 45 Colt vs 44 mag

Seems to be a shortage of Ruger SBH in my area. There are a few Blackhawks in 45 Colt. For someone who doesn't reload how much of a problem would this be for ammunition. Also I've been looking at factory +P loads and they seem to be on the extreme side for power. It would be nice to find a factory 255/260 grain flat nose at about 1100 fps for deer.



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I can't offer anything here, but I will be interested ro hear others' response, as a SBH is next on the list for me. I want a .44, but .45 may be the ticket is someone can convince me.
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Either of those calibers will be expensive and limited for a non-reloader.

In general though, heavy loads in .45 Colt are less punishing than .44 because of the lower pressure/higher case capacity. Meaning you can do more or as much (power) with less (recoil).

Now, as a reloader, I've no experience with buffalo bore/double tap/grizzly, etc. I roll my own 260 grain WFN hard casts at a chronographed 1280 fps from my Blackhawk and about 1700 fps from my Rossi 92.

The recoil on my Blackhawk load is much less than standard Winchester USA 240 grain JSP .44 mag ammo at an advertised 1180 fps. At that point I sold the .44 Blackhawk.....

I do not know of a source for mid range ammo for you, but know that the heavy .45 specialty factory loads may be milder in recoil than many .44s

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I believe Buffalo Bore might be able to fill your needs, and if you do eventually decide to reload, the .45 will give you even more potential. I have a .44 right now, and practically the difference is moot, but added all up, the .45 Colt in a Ruger (as i prefer to call it, .45 Ruger Magnum) or other strong action is just a better way to go all around, now that technology has caught up with it. Factory or handloaded ammo, the .45 Colt will not let you down, and will never make you wish you had a .44 instead. With the popularity of the .45 only growing, ammo avalability will be quite similar, most places that stock hunting ammo for revolvers will be nearly equal between the two.
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I'm sorta invested in the 44 mag right now with what I have on hand but I can't seem to find a SBH anywhere. I know I'll have to reload eventually so maybe the 45lc is the way to go. The only modification I'll need to make on a new blackhawk is the black plastic grips! Keep the replys coming I like what I hear.
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I'm sorta invested in the 44 mag right now with what I have on hand but I can't seem to find a SBH anywhere. I know I'll have to reload eventually so maybe the 45lc is the way to go. The only modification I'll need to make on a new blackhawk is the black plastic grips! Keep the replys coming I like what I hear.
If you cant find a SBH you could always look for a Bisley they make them in both 44mag & 45 Colt.
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Honestly, i will likely never get rid of my SBH, just because i love the wide hammer and steel grip frame, so i am in no hurry to switch to a BH from the SBH as a packing gun. Someday when i have enough dough to own a wheelgun specifically for hunting, it will be the .45 Colt SBH Hunter. Right now my SBH is cursed to being used for plinking, shooting grouse, bear defense, truck gun, deer hunting, wintertime CC and anything else a handgun is good for, but when i have a purpose built hunting gun, it will be .45. In other words, as in my above post, practically, deer won't be any deader and there is no real reason to feel handicapped with one over the other.

I just checked, and Buffalo Bore lists a standard pressure .45 Colt load, with a Keith style 255 gr cast bullet at 1000fps that would be an easy shooter and still push the length of a deer any way you hit him. *Warning* This load is not cheap! But BB ammo has always been good to me i have been impressed with their product and it is, *ahem* made in Montana, not that i am biased!
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I.have some 250 gn flat nose cast that I loaded for hunting pigs. Pushing them at 1025. Haven't killed a pig with one yet but I think they will do the job.
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The .44 is pretty much at the pressure limits with the factory loads. 240gr and 250gr are both excellent for deer, my favorite in that caliber is a partition hollowpoint because the bullet does stay together better than a conventional jacketed hollowpoint. I liked the 250gr Winchester Partition Gold on deer, accurate and plenty of penetration without the bullet traveling so fast it disintegrates if it hits bone. Lighter .44 bullets can be hit or miss how well they stay together after they hit bone. For that reason alone, I am moving to the 45 Colt Vaquero this year for the sidearm.

.45 Colt will push a heavier bullet a little slower than the .44 but there is more headroom for +P loads and also for handloading. Probably later in the year when the ammo shortage has eased up a bit you might see some excellent +P hunting loads on the shelves for the .45 Colt but for the meantime Buffalo Bore has the Deer Grenade that looks promising.

I think the two best jacketed +P loads for deer with the 45 Colt would be the 250gr Hornady XTP, or the 260gr Nosler partition hollowpoint. I have used the 300gr Hornady XTP with some very stout charges of WW296 and H110 propellants, and haven't seen a lot of expansion with the 300gr XTP. Penetration hell yeah, I took two deer with one shot out of a short barreled Vaquero on my birthday one year.

For pigs a 340gr hardcast flatpoint to +P or +P+ in 45 Colt would be a better choice than the 300gr flatpoint in the .44 but no matter which gun or which load, bullet placement is KEY to success for hunting with a handgun.

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If you are going to limit yourself to factory loads, the 44 mag is much more practical. You can can find full power 44 mag loads, even at Wal-mart. Any place that sells ammo, even in this current ammo scare, will typically have 44 mag. Just bought some at Wally, this morning, in fact. Just about any place that sells ammo, then, will have 44 mag.

If you want anything other mild 45 Colt ammo or even lighter Cowboy loads, you will have to seek out Buffalo Bore and Corbon and other specialty ammo companies and these brands are not commonly found, even in gun stores. When you do find them, they are very expensive, compared to standard 44 mag loads.

On the other hand, if you do reload, the 45 Colt offers an amazing variety of options and will do anything the 44 mag will do and more. Don't give up on the idea of reloading, by the way. Seems like most of who shoot the bigger single actions end up reloading, anyway. This might give you the excuse you need.

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I don't reload but I shoot both 45LC and 44 magnum revolvers and lever guns. I've found that the 44 magnum recoil is just too uncomfortable for me in a single action so I got a S&W Performance Center 629 V-Comp for my 44 mag handgun (it may be the finest factory 44mag revolver on the market IMO). My 45LC is a Ruger Bisley New Vaquero. I know what you're thinking..."the new Vaquero can't shoot heavy loads" and that's mostly true but, as mentioned by someone else, Buffalo Bore makes a standard pressure round safe for the New Vaquero that will drop a moose in it's tracks. I also shoot the Hornady Leverevolution 45LC in my New Vaquero although I can only go by what Hornady says and that's that it is a very capable large game cartridge.

In addition to my revolvers I have partner rifles for them. The rifle that goes with my S&W 629 V-Comp 44 mag is my Winchester 94 44 mag. I've heard people go on and on about how the Model 94 can't reliably feed/eject short pistol caliber ammo but I guess mine is magic because it cycles them perfectly as long as you work the lever fully. Short stroking it will jam up rounds but that will happen with any caliber. The rifle is light, fast, accurate, powerful and just plain sweet...its a Winnie 94! (and not one of those weird safety models). A short, fast 44 magnum carbine and revolver is an excellent choice for backwoods hunting, horseback riding or even just hiking.

My 45LC New Vaquero and it's partner rifle share either the Hornady Leverevolution or Buffalo Bore standard pressure 255 grain Keith rounds. The rifle is a 45LC Henry Big Boy that is just beautiful. It's heavier than the Winchester but it helps keep it stable, is extremely accurate and has the butter smoothest action I've ever felt in my life. Plus it looks beautiful with it's octagonal barrel, golden solid brass receiver and American walnut stocks.

I'm not sure which caliber I like best, both work extremely well for hogs, deer or even larger. I do plan to eventually replace my New Vaquero Bisley for a Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk in the 45LC so I have the option to shoot "Ruger only" loads.
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I have been shooting a SBH 44 mag since 1970 and love them. Also, I am a reloader and have shoot just about every jacketed and cast through them. The only change I made was to switch to the Bisley Hunter [44 mag] and I like it even more. Recently, I purchased a 5 1/2" stainless 45 Colt and it is impressing the hell out of me. My experience so far has been with 240 gr Hornady jacketed, 255 SWC [keith style], the newer 270 SAA, and 300 gr LFNGC. So far, I believe the 270 SAA is going to be the best for hunting. [hogs and whitetail] If you decide to reload I don't believe you can make a mistake With either one. Good luck and good shooting!
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I have been shooting a SBH 44 mag since 1970 and love them. Also, I am a reloader and have shoot just about every jacketed and cast through them. The only change I made was to switch to the Bisley Hunter [44 mag] and I like it even more. Recently, I purchased a 5 1/2" stainless 45 Colt and it is impressing the hell out of me. My experience so far has been with 240 gr Hornady jacketed, 255 SWC [keith style], the newer 270 SAA, and 300 gr LFNGC. So far, I believe the 270 SAA is going to be the best for hunting. [hogs and whitetail] If you decide to reload I don't believe you can make a mistake With either one. Good luck and good shooting!
This is great advice. The real trick to the 45 colt or 44 mag is to reload. The initial investment is well worth it. We've shot both 44 mag and heavy 45 colt stuff out of blackhawks and super blackhawks since the 70's. They both work very well. Any load ya shoot out of these revolvers will be accurate and powerful. I'm a great fan of the heavy cast bullets from 270 grains up. They are the ultimate bullet for both these revolvers.

Hope this helps.

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Read (get a copy off) Max Prasac's "Big-Bore Revolvers" . Gives a bunch of alternating view points from hunters. Even on jacketed and lead. Also read Ross Seyfried on the .45 Colt

I don't handgun hunt but know which I'd chose if I did.

However, if you don't reload ... well, the .44Mag may be your best choice... Although as stated above you can get hunting .45 Colt ammo from Buffalo Bore.
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Double Tap makes a bunch of +P loads for the 45C but at a $1.00 + per round they aren't cheap.

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I agree with many in the thread that have advised factory ammo availability for hunting will be better with the 44 mag than with the 45C. If you go 45C then it would be cost effective to reload with the break even point coming quickly.
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