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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:17 PM   #1
 
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New Blackhawk KRBN-455WX Question

So after owning my New Vaquero Bisley .45LC for about a year and loving it I've started lusting after another .45LC SA. However this time I want one that has adjustable sights and is capable of shooting "Ruger Only" loads. After looking at every single model I found the Ruger New Blackhawk KRBN-455WX .45LC that's a distributor exclusive from Williams Shooting Supply.


The gun has a 5.5" barrel (my fave length), bisley frame/hammer/trigger, adjustable sights, .45LC, stainless steel, unfluted cylinder and black laminate grips, all of which make one beautiful gun. I love everything about this gun but...I don't know if it's able to shoot "Ruger Only" ammo. Can someone please let me know if it's able to? Thanks, Brandi



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Old January 24th, 2013, 02:18 AM   #2
 
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Yes, I just bought one from the same supplier with rosewood grips.
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All Blackhawks can take Ruger only loads.
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" ... I found the Ruger New Blackhawk KRBN-455WX .45LC that's a distributor exclusive from Williams Shooting Supply.

The gun has a 5.5" barrel (my fave length), bisley frame/hammer/trigger, adjustable sights, .45LC, stainless steel, unfluted cylinder and black laminate grips, all of which make one beautiful gun. I love everything about this gun but...I don't know if it's able to shoot "Ruger Only" ammo. Can someone please let me know if it's able to? Thanks, Brandi
If you found the gun @ ruger.com, please be aware that their listing is in error. The KRBN-455WX is a 45LC/45ACP convertible (see here).

I have one and would recommend it without reservation. As others have mentioned, it is "Ruger Only" capable.
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All Blackhawks can take Ruger only loads.

INCORRECT! There are some built on the medium frame that are NOT have the strength of the large framed models.
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BlkHawk73 is correct. Not all BHs are on the large frame anymore. The .44Spec flattop BH which is now a cataloged for one. Then there is the .45 Convertibles BHs from Lipseys are another. I think there are others as well... and of course all the New Vaqueros are on the medium frame.

I have two of the nice medium flattop .45 convertibles from Lipseys. Wonderful revolvers. Of course they mostly get shot using the .45 Colt cylinders. I mean what other round really matters ? Hah! But as stated these will NOT take Ruger Only Loads, but still able to launch 255g bullets at 1100fps which is 'plenty' for my uses.

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Going back to the original poster's question about the "Ruger New Blackhawk KRBN-455WX" on Ruger.com.

The KRBN-455WX with Black Laminate Bisley grips is a convertible model 45LC / 45ACP - thats what the X in the number means (extra cylinder or convertible). K = stainless Steel, B = Bisley, 455 = 45 LC with 5.5 inch barrel, (ERROR: and the W = Williams Shooting Sports exclusive).

Ruger.com also lists a Ruger New Blackhawk KRBN-455W (note NO "X"). It is the same gun as above, except is 45 LC only, no 45 ACP cylinder and Rosewood Bisley grips.

One of my shooting buddies just took delivery of a KRBN-455W. It is a full size Blackhawk series that will take "Ruger Only" loads.

The current series of "Flattop" Blackhawks (model numbers start with KNV or NV) are the ones that are "limited" to regular SAAMI loads for the 45 LC. SAAMI pressure loads for the 45 LC are still nothing to sneeze at - they will do about anything 99% of folks would want to do with the 45 Colt.


Edited to add: Thanks to BlkHawk73 for the "W" info correction - The "W" doesn't mean "Williams" either but rather refers to the cylinder being engraved - think "with" engraving.

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Going back to the original poster's question about the "Ruger New Blackhawk KRBN-455WX" on Ruger.com.

The KRBN-455WX with Black Laminate Bisley grips is a convertible model 45LC / 45ACP - thats what the X in the number means (extra cylinder or convertible). K = stainless Steel, B = Bisley, 455 = 45 LC with 5.5 inch barrel, and the W = Williams Shooting Sports exclusive.


The "W" doesn't mean "Williams" either but rather refers to the cylinder being engraved - think "with" engraving. These models weren't initially an exclusive to Williams'. This model, along with the others in the series were first only available from Acusport - hence them being widely referred to Acusport Bisleys. Notice all the cataloged Bisley models have the "W" as well. Some early Bisley variations had the standard fluted cylinders without the rollmark. Those didn't have the "W" in the catalog number designation.


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The current series of "Flattop" Blackhawks (model numbers start with KNV or NV) are the ones that are "limited" to regular SAAMI loads for the 45 LC.
Ok, ahhh... Not absolutes here. Look at the models once called New Vaqueros and now marketed as just Vaquero. They're "NV" as well and they are NOT flattops not Blackhawks. "NV" is more of a size designation referring to the medium sized frames. Look at the flattops, they're "NV" but no other designation indicating they are indeed flattops.
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Ah, ok, thanks for the correction of the model number that could have been a pain down the road. So, model number aside, it was the Williams Blackhawk bisley with black laminate grips and the .45 LC cylinder only I was referring to. So it is capable of Ruger only loads which is awesome, thanks!
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I'm sorry,,,,after a quick check my model #KRBN-455W.
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Ah, ok, thanks for the correction of the model number that could have been a pain down the road. So, model number aside, it was the Williams Blackhawk bisley with black laminate grips and the .45 LC cylinder only I was referring to. So it is capable of Ruger only loads which is awesome, thanks!
Nope ... the 45LC only (Catalog #KRBN-455W, Model 0470) has the Rosewood grips. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the listing shown @ Ruger.com, Blackhawk distributor exclusives, for the KRBN-455WX is incorrect as the listing does not mention that it is a convertible.

When I bought my gun, I noticed that it was not listed @ Ruger.com among the distributor exclusives. I used "Tell the CEO" to mention this to Mike Fifer, noting that it was a great gun and should be listed. He agreed and said he had arranged to have it added. Long story short, that took several months and when it was finally listed, the listing was/is incorrect.

There's a lot to like about the way Mr. Fifer is leading Ruger, but a number things like this have led me to conclude that some in the Ruger organization are not appropriately responsive to his directions. Were it me, whoever in marketing omitted the listing would have gotten "Strike 1". The listing delay and final, incorrect listing would be "Strike 2". In running my business, two strikes and you're out.
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Nope ... the 45LC only (Catalog #KRBN-455W, Model 0470) has the Rosewood grips. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the listing shown @ Ruger.com, Blackhawk distributor exclusives, for the KRBN-455WX is incorrect as the listing does not mention that it is a convertible.

When I bought my gun, I noticed that it was not listed @ Ruger.com among the distributor exclusives. I used "Tell the CEO" to mention this to Mike Fifer, noting that it was a great gun and should be listed. He agreed and said he had arranged to have it added. Long story short, that took several months and when it was finally listed, the listing was/is incorrect.

There's a lot to like about the way Mr. Fifer is leading Ruger, but a number things like this have led me to conclude that some in the Ruger organization are not appropriately responsive to his directions. Were it me, whoever in marketing omitted the listing would have gotten "Strike 1". The listing delay and final, incorrect listing would be "Strike 2". In running my business, two strikes and you're out.
The non-convertable model has shipped with both rosewood grips and the black laminate grips. It's also shipped with the barrel warning in the barrel side position and in the barrel bottom position. All depended on the run as there's been multiple runs of this model as well as others in this series. There's your "strike 1".
While it doesn't indicate the model being a convertible in words, the Cat # designation clearly does. Not "incorrect" just doesn't state the details in words. At some point the consumer needs to know what they're looking for anyways. As distributor exclusives, it's more the responsibility of the distributor to handle the marketing not the manufacturer. Many distributor models go unmentioned on Ruger's site. Seems it's quite an assumption that there's directions regarding this being given from Mr Fifer. Possible "strike 2"?
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BlkHawk73:

I defer to your 3900+ posts with respect to the history of Blackhawk distributor exclusives. However, I would dispute your called strike 1 unless you have some persuasive evidence that guns described in the distributor exclusives typically vary from that description.

I agree that the catalog number clearly describes the gun to all who are familiar with the makeup of the catalog codes. Note that our OP, who is knowledgeable enough to know what she wants, was not familiar with the catalog codes and (not unreasonably) relied on the description.

Regarding your ?strike 2 ... an appeal to the first base umpire yields a firm "No". Mr. Fifer's email response to me clearly suggested that he had directed that the gun be listed.
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I defer to your 3900+ posts with respect to the history of Blackhawk distributor exclusives. However, I would dispute your called strike 1 unless you have some persuasive evidence that guns described in the distributor exclusives typically vary from that description.

Okey dokey. They're described as having the black laminate grips. Of the 7 I have in this series, I have some that did indeed ship with rosewood grips. can post pictures if necessary. These were the earlier ones I believe when they were from Acusport. There was also a difference in which lock came with the guns in this series.
Out of curiosity and not being able to recall which was which, I went to the gun room to check. My KRBN-455WX which has never been removed from the plastic bag, let alone the factory case, has brown rosewood grips.
Yup, strike 1.

As for the second strike, I'll defer that call to the other umpire this time. I still stand by the marketing of distributor exclusives to be on the part f that particular distributor and not Ruger. After all, those have all been sold - guaranteed sales from their perspective - so no marketing is really needed by Ruger. They're wanting to sell their cataloged models which until ordered are not sold.
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Okey dokey. They're described as having the black laminate grips. Of the 7 I have in this series, I have some that did indeed ship with rosewood grips. can post pictures if necessary. These were the earlier ones I believe when they were from Acusport. There was also a difference in which lock came with the guns in this series.
Out of curiosity and not being able to recall which was which, I went to the gun room to check. My KRBN-455WX which has never been removed from the plastic bag, let alone the factory case, has brown rosewood grips.
Yup, strike 1.
I think that we may be talking apples and oranges ... I wasn't really clear in my response. I am certain that you have the guns you describe (however, just to be sure, you should send them all to me !). What I was thinking, but not saying, is that the CURRENT Distributor Exclusive description typically correctly describes the CURRENTLY available gun. That is, at some time in the past, a Williams gun X was offered with whalebone grips and was so described ... but now it's shipped with unicorn antler grips and is described in that way.

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As for the second strike, I'll defer that call to the other umpire this time. I still stand by the marketing of distributor exclusives to be on the part f that particular distributor and not Ruger. After all, those have all been sold - guaranteed sales from their perspective - so no marketing is really needed by Ruger. They're wanting to sell their cataloged models which until ordered are not sold.
I agree that the distributor would have marketing responsibility for the gun. I emailed Mr. Fifer because it occurred to me that Ruger could and should be taking advantage of the availability of these guns. The Distributor Exclusives represent combinations of features not available in the regular Ruger lineup. Persistent sales of a particular "Exclusive" feature set is really a cost-free test marketing success that might suggest that Ruger should offer that feature set in the future. Further, one of the "Exclusives" may interest a first-time buyer who was not interested in the regular offerings ... a plus for the Ruger company and community because, as we all know, you never buy one Ruger and then stop.

Also, as you note, the Distributor Exclusives are "pre-sold". While I agree that their availability might cannibalize the regular Ruger lineup, I would suggest that that might be offset by additional, future Exclusives if Ruger marketing helps to make current Exclusives successful.
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