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.44 Magnum VS .454 Casull

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Old March 2nd, 2008, 09:25 AM   #1
 
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.44 Magnum VS .454 Casull

I've been tossing around the idea of getting a .454 Casull. How does it compare in performance, power, load versitlity etc.? The brass is way higher so, I dont want to spend that much unless it really out performs heavy loaded .44 Mag or .45 Colt.



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I had a SRH for acouple years this a very intense cartridge in .454!!! They don't shoot .45 colts as accurate. very accurate with the .454's though but hang on when you touch one of them off!! The performance of the .454's is a whole tier better than the .44 actually no comparison in really in the same league!!!I actually just traded mine for a xd .45 tactical,I have a .45 colt vaquero which you can use the ruger only loads and equal or slighly surpass they .44.I guess what it all comes down to is what kind of performance you are looking for. the .454 isn't a everday shooter in my opinion it will get you to flinching and other bad habits in my opinion.The SRH .454 I had was one of the few firearms i had nobody wanted to shoot after one cylinder full!!!!The .44 as my brother has a redhwk in .44 is one you can shoot many rounds through and have fun making bricks into gravel and stuff!!!If I would do it again after hind sight I myself would've got a .44 magnum. GOOD LUCK!!
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The .44 Magnum can't touch the .454 Casull in terms of sheer power with the vast majority of commercial loads out there but with offerings by Garrett Cartridges, Buffalo Bore & Corbon, it can give it a run for it's money.

If the intent is to handload, I don't see how you could go wrong with either. Just from a personal standpoint I'd prefer the .44 Magnum because I'm not a handloader and there are a multitude of commercial rounds available for it as well as in .44 Special if I chose to shoot those. Additionally, because if I did want to go with pedal-to-the-metal loads for it, I could get loads from Buffalo Bore, Corbon & Garrett which would put me very, very close to what the .454 can do.

From Buffalo Bore's website:

"NEW HEAVY 44 MAGNUM +P+

This new load is designed for only certain revolvers that have the cylinder length to handle it. They are as follows. Ruger Red Hawk, Ruger Super Red Hawk, Ruger Super Blackhawk or Vaquero, Freedom Arms Model 83, Taurus Raging Bull and Dan Wesson Revolvers. Suitable rifles include T/C Encore, "modified" Marlin 1894, Winchester 1894, any rifle with a falling block action and the Handi Rifle.

What do we mean above by “modified” Marlin? Marlin (for an unknown, not well thought out reason) is using a very slow rate of twist (1/38 inches) on their 1894 chambered in 44 mag. Because of this slow rate of twist, the heaviest bullet that the factory Marlin will stabilize is about 270grs. Other firearm makers that chamber for the 44 mag all use a much faster rate of twist so that their guns will stabilize and therefore accurately shoot bullets over 300grs. Many folks today want their 44 magnums to be able to utilize the heavy 300gr. and heavier bullets—Marlin has not figured this out. If you want decent accuracy out of our new +p+ load in a Marlin, it will need to be rebarreled with a twist rate of roughly 1/20 inch. I have Dave Clay rebarrel all my Marlin 1894’s with a faster twist barrel. A 44 magnum that wont accurately shoot 300gr. or heavier bullets is useless to me. Call him at 817-783-6099 for pricing.


.44 Magnum +P+ 340 gr. LBT-LFN GC . (1478 fps / M.E. 1649 ft. lbs.)

.454 Casull 360 gr. L.W.N.G.C. (1425 fps / M.E. 1623 ft. lbs.)

.454 Casull 325 gr. L.B.T.- L.F.N. (1525 fps /M.E. 1678 ft. )

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/products.asp

Garrett Super-Hard-Cast .44 Mag 330 gr. @1,400 FPS
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It all depends on what you're going to do with the gun, if hunting is the name of the game and you wish to take shots out of your handgun out to 100+ yards .454 is your best bet. If you're talking about hunting whitetails out to 50 yards it's a toss up, either will get the job done just fine. A 240 gr. bullet out of the 454 can really reach out and touch what you need with plenty of power to put it down in a heartbeat, if there is a heart left to beat
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My Super Redhawk is incredibly accurate with 45C ammo. It takes practice with the 454 ammo to shoot accurately , a good set of shooting gloves helps.
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I find it incredible that Buffalo Bore seems to be specalizing in +P+ ammo or ammo that is beyond SAAMI (their own organization) specs. If you contact Ruger, Freedom Arms, Taurus or Dan Wesson and ask them if they will warranty their firearms after using +P+ ammo I can guess the answer.

I suspect BB will have some legal issues when a couple of the firearms blow up in someones face and then the +PP or BB will disappear.
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Thanks for the replies guys. I think I'll stick with my .44 mag. & .45 Colt. I just hunt hogs with them and they are dumb so I can get close any way. Besides my heavy loads already play hell with my arthritic wrists.
Thanks again Deadeye.
P.S. Getting old is not for pussies.
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You speak the truth Deadeye. Whoever called it the golden years obviously didn't have a clue or were just being an a/h. They should give him a colonoscopy just for thinking it up.
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Yep either one going about 1200 with 300 gr would be more then enough for pigs!
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I rapid fired 50 shots from a Taurus raging bull at one range sesion. Not too bad except for the palm of my hand being a little sore, and my ears ringing for a couple days (completely overcame my usual hearing protection...should've doubled up!). I went with the .44 due to ammo availability, price, and what I feel is a better target round in .44 Special vs. 45LC (though I've never fired a single special through mine yet). I own a factory ported S&W 629 so it's a pussycat anyway.
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