Most Versatile SA Caliber?This is a discussion on Most Versatile SA Caliber? within the Ruger Single Action forums, part of the Pistol & Revolver Forum category; I go with the 357. Because I like it....
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August 2nd, 2012, 07:50 PM
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#46 |
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I go with the 357. Because I like it.
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August 2nd, 2012, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TMB  I'd also say 357 unless you handload then I'd include 44mag & 45 Colt. I've loaded round balls all the way up to 300gr bullets in my 44 & shot loads. You could make some pretty good loads for the 45 also I just have'nt done it yet. | I've been thinking about this the 44 is most versatile for me but the most versatile caliber is what ever the person pulling trigger can shoot most accurate. I say this because I have friends that can shoot their 22s & 38 specials pretty good but for what ever reason can't shoot 357,41,44 or45 very well.So I guess a head shot with a 22 is better than a hit it in the foot or miss with a 44.
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August 3rd, 2012, 04:14 AM
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Though in all honesty and as far as handloading is concerned between the .357, 44M and .45Colt there isn't a nickles worth of difference in versatility.
| Actually if you were honest you'd admit that a 357 can't get anywhere near the power levels the others can reach.
Is the more versatile one the one that can do most everything the others can, or the ones that can do everything and more? Quote: |
However, for the non handloader there is a larger selection of factory ammunition for the .357 simply because they make ammunition for the broader market (i.e.) concealed carry revolvers, etc.
| Again not truthful as many 44 and 45 loadings are marketed toward self defense. A quick check on Midway's site show's many loadings avaliable for SD, target, plinking and Hunting in both calibers.
Hey if 357s your favorite and works well for the variety of shooting you do that's great, but the thread isn't titled what's your favorite SA caliber.
I'd also note that they have more defensive loads for the 45 Colt than there are hunting loads for the 357.
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August 3rd, 2012, 08:28 AM
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Power and versaility are two different things my friend...not to be confused as it appears you have done...
Yes there are many factory loadings for the colt and .44M thats not whats at issue, there are just MORE of these types of loadings for the .38/.357, a wider selection...more options equals more versitility...for the non reloader. It's apples to apples between the three for the reloader.
I could say the same for your position on the .45 Colt/.44M, where as I agree all three can be equally versitile when hand loaded. You seem to be stuck in a time warp...big does not always mean better nor is big always necessary.
In that vein, lets say you shoot a full power .44M load accurately then it holds to reason that with less recoil to contend with you should be able to shoot a full power .357 more accurately. Truth is, more people can shoot a .357 accurately than can the .44M...The versatility now comes in the form of the number of people who can utilize the cartridge to it's full potential.
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August 3rd, 2012, 08:38 AM
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Power and versaility are two different things my friend
| Versatility would certainly include power, which you seem to be oblivious to. Quote: |
a wider selection...more options equals more versitility
| If one has 47,000 different options for the same load it doesn't make it versatile.
The 357 has no option of a 1200 ft.lb. load. Quote: |
The versatility now comes in the form of the number of people who can utilize the cartridge to it's full potential.
| The guns are versatile and accurate, shooter imposed limitations are the shooters fault.
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August 3rd, 2012, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mavracer Versatility would certainly include power, which you seem to be oblivious to.
If one has 47,000 different options for the same load it doesn't make it versatile.
The 357 has no option of a 1200 ft.lb. load.
The guns are versatile and accurate, shooter imposed limitations are the shooters fault. | Power is not versatile and basically worthless if it can't be effectively utilized...
1200 Ft lb of energy is simply overkill...law of diminishing returns...
More people can utilize the full power of a .357 than can utilize the full power of a .44M. Which has to do with a hefty increase in recoil for a modest gain in power. The exceptional person can accurately shoot the .44M, the rest of us honest and not so exceptional shooters do better with the .357M.
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August 3rd, 2012, 10:23 AM
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More people can utilize the full power of a .357 than can utilize the full power of a .44M. Which has to do with a hefty increase in recoil for a modest gain in power. The exceptional person can accurately shoot the .44M, the rest of us honest and not so exceptional shooters do better with the .357M.
| Yes, a less versatile shooter would probably be well served with the less versatile round.
Popularity really has nothing to do with versatility.
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August 3rd, 2012, 11:58 AM
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Or.....
As you can see by my signature icons, you can get one of each and just smile knowingly.
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August 3rd, 2012, 12:38 PM
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the .357 is popular BECAUSE it versatile...I'll leave it at that...with one caveat...I own and shoot a .357 SA, .44M SA and a .45 Colt SA, and I still find the .357 to be more versatile....because it is...LOL
Politics HA! no thanks...
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August 3rd, 2012, 01:22 PM
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I own and shoot a .357 SA, .44M SA and a .45 Colt SA, and I still find the .357 to be more versatile
| Riddle me this then. What can you do with a 357 SA that you can't with a 44 or 45? | |
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August 3rd, 2012, 01:37 PM
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the .357 is popular BECAUSE it versatile..
| Well, personally I think it is just that it is popular because it is all most people (think occasional shooters) can handle, yet isn't just a '.22LR' when it comes to personal defense and ammo isn't as expensive. For example, my wife won't touch any of my big-bores, but doesn't mind the peanut .357 (loaded down). Same with my dad (and his brother) who now likes to shoot .38 level loads. The .357/.38/9mm fits well in the 'middle' ground that youngsters to seniors can shoot. It can't do the job of the big-bore ... but it does what it does well enough... Now, if the cost of shooting .38/.357 or even 9mm was just at the price point of a .22, I'd start using the .357 as my new '.22' cartridge  . For me though, I shoot the .22 a lot, and then jump right to the big-bore (.44 or .45) . Occasionally I will pull out a .357 for fun. Who knows, there may come a day when I'll have to back down to the peanut caliber for health/financial reasons... but not now.
For the 'serious' shooter though ... You do need a revolver in each caliber  . Having just one doesn't cut it! Quote: |
What can you do with a 357 SA that you can't with a 44 or 45?
| A .44 or 45 can't make a .357 hole in the target.... That's about it .
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August 3rd, 2012, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Power is not versatile and basically worthless if it can't be effectively utilized...
1200 Ft lb of energy is simply overkill...law of diminishing returns...
More people can utilize the full power of a .357 than can utilize the full power of a .44M. Which has to do with a hefty increase in recoil for a modest gain in power. The exceptional person can accurately shoot the .44M, the rest of us honest and not so exceptional shooters do better with the .357M. | I have a .357 and like it very much, I've loaded many thousands of .357 rounds. BUT! modest gain in power? About 50% more with the .44 and .45 energy is modest? And the .45 can be loaded old school or approaching .44 mag power.So ver versatile in it's own right. Now if you went back to some of Elmer Keiths .357 loads maybe. But they would be punishing in modern light weight wheel guns.
About any larger capacity revolver round can be very versatile if you load for 'em.
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August 4th, 2012, 07:37 AM
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August 4th, 2012, 09:14 AM
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In the last article : "The award for top pistol and revolver cartridge of the 20th century by any standard should really go to the .22 Long Rifle rimfire for both. Think about it."
There is a lot of truth in that! In my lifetime I have shot more .22LR than any other caliber, from varminting, to target practice, to plinking.... Still shoot at least 5:1 .22LR to the bigger calibers.
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August 4th, 2012, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ruger4Life In your opinion, what caliber is the most versatile in Single Action Revolvers? And why? | It all depends on what you want to do? Are you looking to hunt? If so big or small game? Are you interested in concealed carry and personal defense? This all needs to start with a discussion of priorities.
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