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Old July 13th, 2012, 03:34 PM   #1
 
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Trouble with Vaquero

I'm new to the Ruger Forum and would like to ask other revolver folks about their experience if any with the New Single action Ruger Vaquero.

I bought a pair in 45 LC for my wife so she could compete in Cowboy Mounted Shooting Assoc (CMSA) events. ( I know she's a great wife)

I've been shooting for years and have always had great experience with Rugers so when she said Vaquero's were on her wish list the choice was easy.

Fast forward about 9 months and she was at a mounted shoot and one of her revlover cylinders jammed an wouldn't rotate. I figured a primer had backed out and/or it had gotten dirty (loading black powder). When I looked closer I discovered that the Transfer bar had broken off and become stuck in the hammer mechanism preventing cocking and rotation of the cylinder. I managed to get the piece out and was prepared to fix it myself once I got a new part from Ruger.

This pistol has not had much use and to have it break was a shock. Then to make matters worse I called Ruger the end of June and told them the story and even got a part number from the CS rep. She the told me they were shutting down for maintenance and wouldn't be able to help until the week after the 4th of July. Oh and would I just call back?!? It really didn't seem like the Ruger Cust supt I had always rec'd and heard about.

Ok so I called back the week after the 4th and after telling her my story again she told me the part was out of stock sorry. Then silence. I asked when one might be available and was told they were back ordered and she didn't know. Crap!?! Again silence ... She eventually said she could put me on the back order list but didn't know when they'd be available.

My wife is in the middle of her CMSA season and now doesn't have one of her guns. She is for all practicle purposes done for the year because Ruger doesn't have a part on hand for one of their current production guns.

To say that I'm frustrated and unhappy with Ruger CS on is this an understatement. I've had only good experience prior so thought I'd check here to see if its only me or??

Anyone else have or heard of this problem with the transfer bar on a vaquero? Anyone else had similar experience with Ruger Cust support?

I am not intending to bash Ruger so sorry if I've vented a bit along the way but this seems unreasonable.

Thanks in advance for your responses.



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Old July 13th, 2012, 04:00 PM   #2
 
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Greetings,

I have one old model Vaquero, and two new small frame Vaqueros. Down through the years, I have owned several Ruger single actions, and always felt they
are a well made gun. I never had any problems with any of them.

Welcome to the forum.

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Never had a problem,welcome from northern Wyoming
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Old July 13th, 2012, 07:15 PM   #4
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First thing: Go to midwayusa or brownells and order another transfer bar. Look here or the other ruger forum for advice on fitting...it should be a drop-in, BUT there are functional checks you should make on it.

I've been shooting NEW MODELS since 1976 and Original Size VAQUEROS since 2004. I've put some miles on a bunch of them BUT never had issues with the transfer bar.

IF you're a fairly serious shooter, you should have "a pair and a spare" of your competition guns. I kinda favor "2 pairs" myself.
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A friend had one break after repeated dry-firing. He had a new part from Ruger in 2 weeks. That one went from his truck gun to his 'maybe I'll plink w/ it someday' gun.
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Old July 25th, 2012, 02:47 PM   #7
 
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Update re-Vaquero Trouble

I feel its important to provide an update regarding my trouble with a broken transfer bar on my wifes Vaquero. I eventually learned that this problem in far from rare and is caused by a problem comonly referred to as "transfer bar pinch".

Someone here mentioned that I should buy a couple of spares from Brownells, Midway and Ruger. I did but all were back ordered. I will order a couple spares as soon as they are avail. (probably won't break again)

The fact that it is not a rare occurance may account for the delay in getting a replacement part. Perhaps they had a bad production run of these ... who knows.


Also someone mentioned that as a serious shooter I should have a spare pair of pistols as back-up. That is a pretty expensive insurance policy but fortunatly I also have a set so my wife has been able to continue her sport this season thankfully.

Now for the good news I sent ruger an on line request for help, referred to the "transfer bar pinch" and rec'd a reply email the next day that their parts dept was told to ship one asap. I called today to verify and they shipped today priority mail.

Thanks once again Ruger for standing behind your fine products!
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Glad to hear they came through (like they should)
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There is a pretty easy fix for the pinch, and I do it to all of my new Ruger single actions. Most of the small framed guns come with a transfer bar that has a ridge cast into the top of the bar. I believe Ruger made this modification to strengthen the part in that area. Unfortunately, it just makes the pinch more pronounced, and more likely to crack the piece.

What I do is to remove the transfer bar and file down the ridge. The process goes like this:

1. Unload gun
2. Cock and dry fire, holding the trigger to the rear
3. Press forward on the hammer
4. If the top of the hammer has not fully returned forward to the frame, the transfer bar is pinched between the hammer and the frame. Repeated firing will almost certainly result in a broken bar. Of course, this will likely take some time, but for those shooting lots, that time will be shorter.
5. Either measure or eyeball the amount of space between the hammer and frame, this will be the amount to remove from the transfer bar
6. Remove enough material from the top of the transfer bar so that, when fired, the transfer bar will slide down, even with the hammer forward. I like to make the fit such that with the hammer pushed all the way forward, releasing the trigger will allow the trigger to return forward (and thus the transfer bar retract) with only the slightest clearance. The trigger return spring should have enough power to drag the transfer down against the resistance encountered by the firing pin spring pushing the back of the pin against the bar.

If you remove too much material by accident, you can correct slightly by removing the smallest amount of material from the hammer, itself.

Some folks like to remove material from the step of the hammer, instead of the transfer bar, but I find that results in an odd-looking hammer.

If that isn't clear, let me know, and I'll try to take some pictures of a few of mine.

Good luck!
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I remove material from the hammer step. That way I can 'slowly' remove material and check fit without disassembling the gun.
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Originally Posted by Oldgoat03 View Post
I eventually learned that this problem in far from rare and is caused by a problem comonly referred to as "transfer bar pinch".

Never heard of that before.

Someone here mentioned that I should buy a couple of spares from Brownells, Midway and Ruger. I did but all were back ordered. I will order a couple spares as soon as they are avail. (probably won't break again)

Seems to me a part that shouldn't break at all is back ordered by three different companies tells me is an ongoing problem.

The fact that it is not a rare occurance may account for the delay in getting a replacement part. Perhaps they had a bad production run of these ... who knows.

It should be a very rare problem.


Also someone mentioned that as a serious shooter I should have a spare pair of pistols as back-up. That is a pretty expensive insurance policy but fortunatly I also have a set so my wife has been able to continue her sport this season thankfully.

Now for the good news I sent ruger an on line request for help, referred to the "transfer bar pinch" and rec'd a reply email the next day that their parts dept was told to ship one asap. I called today to verify and they shipped today priority mail.

Thanks once again Ruger for standing behind your fine products!
Way to go Ruger.

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