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Old December 28th, 2011, 11:41 AM   #1
 
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Birdshead 3.5 accuracy problem

I found this about a year ago, an unfired one a dealer had a couple.

I run the same ammunition (45 colt) through a 5 inch Uberti and it hits right where I aim. The Vaquero shoots low, about 4-5 inches, and inconsistant.

Any thoughts as to why? I was thinking of painting the front sight to see if I am notn seeing it consistantly. (Stainless)



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Old December 28th, 2011, 11:55 AM   #2
 
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Have you tried different ammo? What shoots in one doesn't mean another will like ir.
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Old December 28th, 2011, 12:11 PM   #3
 
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Is it an accuracy issue or a point of impact issue?

Generally a shortended barrel requires a shorter front sight, or it will shoot low, which isn't terribly hard to make happen.
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Try heavier weight bullets. Heavier bullets shoot higher as a rule.
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Does your birdshead have a heavy or rough trigger pull in comparison to your other guns? Either condition would cause what you're describing.
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I was thinking about the sight. But I cannot be the first to have this problem
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Ruger puts tall front sights on them so you can file it to the height you want it. Remember the shorter barrel is more difficult to shoot accurately due to the shorter sight radius. More practice.

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Old December 29th, 2011, 06:25 AM   #8
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Multiple Problems; Multiple Answers

One of my most recent purchases was a custom 44 magnum Original Size VAQUERO...3.5 inch barrel...I'm not having a lot of luck with it...problems like you mention.

1. Original Size VAQUERO or NEW VAQUERO? The plastic grips on the new gun get a lot of negative comments. EAGLE GRIPS Gunfighter model really help me with the smaller frame...all my other VAQUEROS have HUNTER or DRAGOON or BISLEY grip frames. The XR3 or XR3-red grip frame is too small for me to do well with.

2. They have a real nice black industrial metal marker at work. Darken the front sight AND the hog wallow rear...much. much better. You want FLAT BLACK sights.

3. A good trigger is a great aid to GOOD and CONSISTENT shooting. I changed out the trigger and hammer in the Sheriffs Model to a good set that I've used in another gun AND it was a used set from 2 Dogs...some improvement, but still not good. An unfitted SUPER BLACKHAWK hammer was a drop in in two stainless 44 VAQUEROS, but the pull went from bad to attrocious...they're sitting in the safe until the gunsmith is ready for them (six month or more waiting list for the top guys in the business, but worth it.) Look up the "poor boy trigger job" if you haven't already...it could help...can't hurt.

Someone posted somewhere that 'VAQUERO is spanish for low and left."
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Quote:
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Someone posted somewhere that 'VAQUERO is spanish for low and left."
Then Vaquero must then translate to "jerking trigger"

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"Then Vaquero must translate to "jerking trigger."

MUST could be a poor choice of words. The guide is excellent, but not necessarily true in all cases.

I have shooting access over a dozen 44 magnum VAQUEROS in 5.5 and 7.5 inch barrel length...plus the custom 3.5 inch gun...about the same numbers in 357. The only ones that aren't within an inch or two of point of aim/point of impact HAVE NOT HAD A TRIGGER JOB...or are used custom guns that may or may not have had the sights adjusted. The other gun giving me problems is a 7.5 inch 44 magnum VAQUERO...and it shoots 6 inches high!

I'm a regular over at castboolits and bought a few moulds LOL!...running from 200 grains to 280 for the ones I've used more than once or twice. I'm sure you are aware that adjusting powder charge and type and/or boolit weight can effect POA/POI.

Sometimes it seems like there are no absolutes in shooting. You have issues with the gun; issues with the ammo...45 Colt is notorious for both! and issues with the shooter...none of which may be the same tomorrow. The nice thing about these forums is that one of the many posters who respond may have the answer to your problems and save you a lot of time and frustration.
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No it's not an all cases scenario or solve all but far too often folks with point the finger at the gun and never consider it's themselves, it's always something besides them. That's when you have someone else GOOD try the same gun with the same loads and see, multiple people that can shoot GOOD if possible. The more that can be eliminated as a cause is best.
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Laremm,
Mine do the same thing. All the Ruger 3 3/4" I have, and the Cimerron 3 1/2" Thunderer I had. To get them right I had to use the barrel to cover the bull at 25 feet. Ditto with my Montado. Filing blade would help but I don't want to do that and I don't really care that much. They are fun guns not target guns.

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What bullet weight are you using? As others have stated weight makes a difference as does velocity. If you are shooting anything lighter than 250gr./255gr. you are going to get a lower POI. If they are "Cowboy" loads you are going to get a lower POI too. Try shooting from shadows into light also. The top of the front sight on the stainless guns disappears in direct sunlight.

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The above chart is only for one-handed "bullseye" type shooting, two handed introduces many more variables.
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My new Vaquero shoots low and left, even off a rest.
I believe this will improve when I start loading for it.
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